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Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by lyagushka »

aboutruby wrote: post #2

From reddit: > This article is overly hyperbolic. Some obscure subdomains of government websites are serving expired x509 certificates. They're not down and this definitely doesn't compromise the encryption that protects any login credentials. Anyway, it is embarassing to see certificate renewal is not automated - it's something any good sysadmin would have set up. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/aeps41/…

One thing that the shutdown is doing is exposing were we have over dependencies on government.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by choko »

bartread wrote: post #17

Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…

One reason is because local government is operating normally, and local government (not federal) functions are what impacts people's lives the most. For all the attention federal issues garner, local government has a much larger impact on day to day life in the US.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by guiambros »

rplst8 wrote: post #25
baddox wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Government departments are legally required to budget for the possibility of a shutdown, which means they have to keep the money around that they will use to shut down. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antideficiency_Act

Yes, but this coupled with the fact they shut down things that don't otherwise really require a human to actively working proves that it's all just a political ploy.

> .. proves that it's all just a political ploy.

Security maintenance, keeping databases up, monitoring the various systems, risk of DDoS, answering to users' inquires, bandwidth... - it requires real money to keep any production site live.

Given that these folks are basically working without pay, I don't blame them for wanting to put a cover page saying "Sorry, we're down", and call it a day.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by noir_lord »

choko wrote: post #72
bartread wrote: post #17

Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…

One reason is because local government is operating normally, and local government (not federal) functions are what impacts people's lives the most. For all the attention federal issues garner, local government has a much larger impact on day to day life in the US.

Same in the UK, one of the reasons that it annoys the hell out of me that local government isn't taken more seriously by the electorate.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by thaumasiotes »

bartread wrote: post #17

Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…

> Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns?

> Overall it seems potentially damaging and disruptive for any organisation or individuals with dependencies on the government.

Most people do not have dependencies on the government. You could live through a shutdown without noticing it had happened if not for the news coverage.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by ok_coo »

bartread wrote: post #17

Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…

My wife came home yesterday and told me that her work said if the shutdown continues in late February - March that they'll probably have to cut her position along with others at her workplace (they're federally-funded).

If that happens, I will likely be forced to quit my current job as well and find a higher paying job to help compensate while she looks for new work. I'm currently paid under market rate, but I love my job, so I'd prefer to stay where I'm at instead of look for other work to make up for our loss of income.

If this shutdown continues, I think people severely underestimate the negative impact it's going to have on this country. There's going to be a lot of pain and transitions that will have to happen.

If he really wants this wall funded, he should go through the normal channels. It's difficult to see how this isn't anything but a temper tantrum.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #75
bartread wrote: post #17

Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…

> Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? > Overall it seems potentially damaging and disruptive for any organisation or individuals with dependencies on the government. Most people do not have dependencies on the government. You could live through a shutdown without noticing it had happened if not for the news coverage.

Not if you enjoy eating food or flying. Or are dependent on SNAP benefits. Or are a Native American. Or are trying to use constituent services with a freshman member of Congress.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/09/683642605/how-is-the-shutdown...

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by pbourke »

snek wrote: post #46
bartread wrote: post #17

Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…

Yes it's horrible and childlish. Politicians use hundreds of thousands of citizens as bargaining chips instead of just figuring out how to work together. If it didn't happen so often, I would imagine there would be rioting. Unfortunately the status quo is to shut down the government whenever you don't get the exact budget you want.

Please don’t make the claim that “both sides” are responsible for or prolonging this shutdown. The House passed a series of bills that are essentially the same as the ones given unanimous consent in the Senate last month in order to provide for government funding.

Those bills passed by the House include substantial funding for border security. All sides are in agreement about the necessity of border security. A single side and a small group of men on that side are holding the lives of 800k federal workers and the lives, health and prosperity of the public at ransom. They’re doing this in order to get a cheap political “win” for a border wall. A wall that will be ineffective and will never be built even if they’re handed the money to build it, due to the enormous ecological, logistical and legal barriers to do so.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by dragontamer »

ok_coo wrote: post #76
bartread wrote: post #17

Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…

My wife came home yesterday and told me that her work said if the shutdown continues in late February - March that they'll probably have to cut her position along with others at her workplace (they're federally-funded). If that happens, I will likely be forced to quit my current job as well and find a higher paying job to help compensate while she looks for new work. I'm currently paid under market rate, but I love m…

His base wants the temper tantrum and the shutdown. The fact of the matter is, Trump hasn't lost any ground in his approval rating over this yet.

With that being said, Democrats don't want the wall. They were pretty much elected to stop the wall and have a huge majority in the House. I don't see how this gets resolved at all.

To have the shutdown end, the House (Democrats), Senate (Republicans), and President have to agree on a singular solution. In the past, the general agreement has been "Lets keep the budget numbers the same and argue about this later".

But the typical plan has failed, Trump is doubling down on the wall (+$5.7 Billion added to the budget), and his base loves it.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by zorga »

tossaccount123 wrote: post #16
TomK32 wrote: post #3

My bet what will trigger the next recession proper was on Brexit, but 45 is beating the Brits to it. Not shabby for a temper tantrum. This week I read up on Reagan's firing of 11000 flight controllers because the union that formerly supported him demanded better working conditions. It took a decade for air traffic control to regain the old levels.

Trump is asking for less than 1/1000 of our annual budget for border security. We spend 10x that on foreign aid annually. This entire thing is political BS over what amounts to a rounding error while congress almost unanimously approved $38 billion in money for Israel

> Trump is asking for less than 1/1000 of our annual budget for border security.

No, he's asking for it for a wall, not for border security; wall's are't security, they're security theater. Actual security requires people, not walls. Most illegals fly in on Visa's and just over stay, they don't sneak in through the desert. Walls are easily by ladders, ropes, and shovels, only an idiot like Trump would want to spend billions on a wall.

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