The government is so useless we didn't even notice them being gone over at my place.
Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down
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Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down
#42Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…
Government employees are paid, but contract workers like janitors are not
I work as a contractor and most of us are not effected. The money to pay for the vast majority of contracts is allocated at the time of the contract award. So in my case I think we would be funded for another 2 years. For most of the furloughed civilian employees it's an enforced paid (eventually) holiday.
Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down
#43Nasa.gov[1] and justice.gov[2] resolving and have valid TLS certificates for me. > In the end, nothing good will come out of this shutdown. Some people believe increasing border security and funding to reduce crime, reduce sex trafficking, and better protect border agents and law enforcement as good. [1] https://www.ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=nasa.gov&latest [2] http://ssllabs.com/ssltest/analyze.html?d=justi…
There's been little disagreement about the broader idea of "increasing border security". Poll I saw the other day showed (IIRC) something like 80%+ of polled people saw a need for 'increased border security'. The phrase is incredibly broad. What is in dispute is what to spend money on, but I suspect you already know that.
Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down
#44Yes very are fucking free. God damn the government is truly incompetent.
Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
They can’t spend any money right now, it would have to be prepaid not just auto-renewed
It could also be free and automated (let’s encrypt)
Let’s Encrypt is used on some government sites like cloud.gov. It’s probably not reasonable for us to expect all government sites to be using it by now.
Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down
#46Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…
Yes it's horrible and childlish. Politicians use hundreds of thousands of citizens as bargaining chips instead of just figuring out how to work together. If it didn't happen so often, I would imagine there would be rioting. Unfortunately the status quo is to shut down the government whenever you don't get the exact budget you want.
Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down
#47Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…
Because most of the government is a waste of money and exists merely to perpetuate itself. The fact that it just shuts down sometimes is a great indicator of just that. It’s an entity that is accountable to nobody because no matter how well or poorly it performs it just collects revenue anyway. You can’t #deletegovt. The sooner people move away from viewing it as a good employer, the better. There’s no smooth or eleg…
Yeah I work as a contractor in the DC metro area and it seems mostly business as usual for the large majority. Folks aren't getting paid, but they'll likely get back pay once it's resolved. Traffic on the highways and metro seemed pretty normal to me. It's 99% political posturing to see who blinks first.
It's definitely not healthy though.
Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down
#48Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…
Because most of the government is a waste of money and exists merely to perpetuate itself. The fact that it just shuts down sometimes is a great indicator of just that. It’s an entity that is accountable to nobody because no matter how well or poorly it performs it just collects revenue anyway. You can’t #deletegovt. The sooner people move away from viewing it as a good employer, the better. There’s no smooth or eleg…
Instead of downvoting the parent, make an actual argument instead. You'll find it difficult. If the current shutdown proves anything, it's that many functions of the federal government are un-essential to daily life. Those un-essential parts should be eliminated.
Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down
#49Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…
Because most of the government is a waste of money and exists merely to perpetuate itself. The fact that it just shuts down sometimes is a great indicator of just that. It’s an entity that is accountable to nobody because no matter how well or poorly it performs it just collects revenue anyway. You can’t #deletegovt. The sooner people move away from viewing it as a good employer, the better. There’s no smooth or eleg…
Government has no requirement to be efficient, because it has no local competition. Can you imagine if the board members in a business were in a disagreement and they decided "oh, lets just shut this down until we can come to an agreement?" Their customers would be pretty disappointed, and they'd look for an alternative supplier of goods or services. People would jump at the chance to fill such a gap in the market if there's an opportunity to make money. When they decide to reopen, they'd find that they don't have a business any longer. (Or it will be much smaller if they can salvage some loyal customers)
A business also wants to be as resourceful as possible with the money it has. It won't hire people for "bullshit jobs" (as Graeber calls them), when it could either not have the role or could replace it with a robot. Governments on the other hand, will hire people just to spend the money it has, or to justify increasing the amount it needs to collect.
As you rightly note, people aren't outraged because they see that despite the government being shut down, that the country is still running OK for most part. Then clearly not all of those federal employee roles are necessary. Perhaps if they were cut back to the bare minimum, taxpayers could be saving a lot of money? People are more outraged at the idea that they're paying for government employees to have bullshit jobs, and thinking we should have shutdowns more often.
Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down
#50Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…
Because it doesn't actually impact most people yet. Obviously that's cold comfort to the government workers who are currently unpaid, but I guess people are selfish. The shutdown is a cumulative thing. For instance, the FDA food inspections aren't happening. For a week, it's not likely to make a big difference. But a month? Three months? Eventually people will get sick and it'll be a huge issue. TSA agents have mostl…
> Trump has even said the shutdown could last months, but of course you'd be an idiot to take him at his word.
Wait, why? I was considering this as a possibility before he said anything about it. It totally seems to me like this could go on for multiple months.