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Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by ohiovr »

tossaccount123 wrote: post #16
TomK32 wrote: post #3

My bet what will trigger the next recession proper was on Brexit, but 45 is beating the Brits to it. Not shabby for a temper tantrum. This week I read up on Reagan's firing of 11000 flight controllers because the union that formerly supported him demanded better working conditions. It took a decade for air traffic control to regain the old levels.

Trump is asking for less than 1/1000 of our annual budget for border security. We spend 10x that on foreign aid annually. This entire thing is political BS over what amounts to a rounding error while congress almost unanimously approved $38 billion in money for Israel

We have more than a 5 trillion dollar budget?

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by sdenton4 »

danso wrote: post #54
rplst8 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the part that people so easily forget. The power is truley in Congress' hands. That said, appropriations bills must originate in the House and the new speaker and flock of freshman Representatives haven't passed anything yet.

Why would the House waste time passing bills that aren’t going to have a veto proof majority? Congress generally waits until they’re close to having the votes before going through the process.

The Senate passed the House bill before the winter recess. Trump threw his tantrum, though...

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by kmontrose »

rplst8 wrote: post #37
atonse wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we can stop being obtuse? The senate can end this by passing a budget and override the president's veto. They're choosing not to.

This is the part that people so easily forget. The power is truley in Congress' hands. That said, appropriations bills must originate in the House and the new speaker and flock of freshman Representatives haven't passed anything yet.

The House has already passed a couple bills funding the government, in whole or in part[1]. They haven't been taken up in the Senate.

One of the bills passed this week: https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/21?s...

[1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/04/house-passes-bill-to-end-gov...

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by pimlottc »

lowercased wrote: post #26
untog wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't getting paid. They will get paid when the shutdown is over, but they aren't getting paid right now. An important distinction. EDIT: I'm referring to the employees here, not contractors

For direct employees - currently, from what I've recently heard - the legislation in place provides for back pay for them. For contract workers for agencies, it's unclear that any of them will receive back pay. Per the other comment here, I might suspect that there were some contractors who may still have been 'required' for some reason to work, but may not get back pay in the end. It's speculation on my part, but it…

> For direct employees - currently, from what I've recently heard - the legislation in place provides for back pay for them.

Almost in place; the bill in question still needs to be signed by the President. All indications are that he will.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/s24

In general, there is nothing that guarantees back pay after a shutdown, though it has happened in every shutdown so far.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by photoguy112 »

snek wrote: post #46
bartread wrote: post #17

Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…

Yes it's horrible and childlish. Politicians use hundreds of thousands of citizens as bargaining chips instead of just figuring out how to work together. If it didn't happen so often, I would imagine there would be rioting. Unfortunately the status quo is to shut down the government whenever you don't get the exact budget you want.

I don't see anything wrong with shutting down - less frivolous spending. Why should an idiot get funding to build a wall nobody wants? He's only harming himself.

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by [deleted] »

aboutruby wrote: post #2

From reddit: > This article is overly hyperbolic. Some obscure subdomains of government websites are serving expired x509 certificates. They're not down and this definitely doesn't compromise the encryption that protects any login credentials. Anyway, it is embarassing to see certificate renewal is not automated - it's something any good sysadmin would have set up. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/aeps41/…

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Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by pimlottc »

rplst8 wrote: post #37
atonse wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we can stop being obtuse? The senate can end this by passing a budget and override the president's veto. They're choosing not to.

This is the part that people so easily forget. The power is truley in Congress' hands. That said, appropriations bills must originate in the House and the new speaker and flock of freshman Representatives haven't passed anything yet.

> That said, appropriations bills must originate in the House and the new speaker and flock of freshman Representatives haven't passed anything yet.

This is flatly untrue. The House passed an appropriations bill [0] on the first day they were in session (Jan 3), and it has been waiting for a vote in the Senate since then.

0: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr21

Re: Government shutdown: TLS certificates not renewed, many websites are down

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Post by atonse »

yourapostasy wrote: post #55
atonse wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we can stop being obtuse? The senate can end this by passing a budget and override the president's veto. They're choosing not to.

> They're choosing not to. For sound political reasons. You may not like those reasons, but they aren't being "obtuse" in the sense they do not understand what they are doing because they lack the wits to comprehend. Minimizing your opponent with those kinds of terms risks you underestimating them. The "base" that voted in most of the Senate voted in Trump. At the federal level, they pretty much count as a single vot…

I don't think what you're saying is at odds with what I'm saying. In both our versions, this is a deliberate act by Congressional Republicans, and doesn't jive with the current narrative, that the President is somehow in charge of making this pass.

But again, this is something where the Republicans have lied to their base, stoked a fake immigration crisis using nativism, and is now forced to lie in a bed they made.

So this is what they get for stoking populist, nativist fear.

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Post by choko »

dataflow wrote: post #50
untog wrote: post #20

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Because it doesn't actually impact most people yet. Obviously that's cold comfort to the government workers who are currently unpaid, but I guess people are selfish. The shutdown is a cumulative thing. For instance, the FDA food inspections aren't happening. For a week, it's not likely to make a big difference. But a month? Three months? Eventually people will get sick and it'll be a huge issue. TSA agents have mostl…

> Trump has even said the shutdown could last months, but of course you'd be an idiot to take him at his word. Wait, why? I was considering this as a possibility before he said anything about it. It totally seems to me like this could go on for multiple months.

Trump uses A LOT of hyperbole. It can be difficult to know when to take him literally, which is part of his likeability problem. His supporters claim you should take him seriously but not literally. I have a hard time with it, since I tend to be a literal-minded person.

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Post by clairity »

mehrdadn wrote: post #32
bartread wrote: post #17

Serious question for US members of HN: how do you tolerate these shutdowns? I mean, apart from the loss of services, including websites, it seems like many federal workers aren't being paid. Will they be paid back after the shutdown impasse is resolved or is the money they didn't/couldn't earn lost to them. This seems unfair and, in the meantime, how are they supposed to go about their lives? Overall it seems potenti…

A lot of people just aren't affected visibly, and I guess people don't usually riot about things that don't anger them. Not sure how those that are affected are getting by. To me these shutdowns (and lack of pay) should be bringing down the US government's credit rating.

since the US dollar is the world's reserve currency you probably don't want the credit rating dropping even if you're not an american.

the shutdown is maddening but we seem to have come to accept it as a normal escalation tactic. what concerns me more is the move away from norms to laws restraining the executive branch. that can potentially reduce the effectiveness of future presidents and shift the careful balance of federal power in ways we may not like. but on the flip side, i'm glad the federal government has been shown (so far) to be resilient to an inept president.

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