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Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by vorticalbox »

sokoloff wrote: post #263
GuB-42 wrote: post #235

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Yep, it is. The directive applies to Hacker News. And it will certainly be in trouble people decided to use it to post an entire Harry Potter novel and it becomes the go-to place to read it. But Hacker News has moderators, and in practice, these posts are aren't likely to stay long, therefore fulfilling Article 13 obligations. I'm pretty sure that movie quotes are not copyright-protected. And the last point in the ar…

Why would movie quotes not be copyright-protected? They are almost certainly copyright protected, with copyright law provisions granted for certain fair use purposes.

How can you prove that it came from a movie? You can not copyright words else no one would be able to say anything. That's what trademarks are for.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by dang »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #87
tpetry wrote: post #84

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No, FAANG will not be targeted. Even GDPR which would have been able to piss of facebook was not used to attack them. Only small companies have been attacked because of GDPR violations. Inoffically they have told people they will not attack the big ones because they have enough lawyers so an attack on e.g. facebook will be too time consuming.

This is bullshit. EU was never too shy at attacking big American companies when they crossed the line.

When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "This is bullshit. 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by dang »

yostrovs wrote: post #207
claudius wrote: post #193

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For your info: Hacker News being responsible for the data its users provide is not a problem for the users, it is a problem for Hacker News and similar platforms who leech off content from the general public for their own profit. Further for your info: Hacker News does not "need a filter lest you quote a sentence from some movie", it only needs to take responsibility of you commit copyright infringement by doing so.…

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Please don't break the site guidelines regardless of how wrong another comment might be.

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Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by hyperman1 »

vorticalbox wrote: post #371
sokoloff wrote: post #263

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Why would movie quotes not be copyright-protected? They are almost certainly copyright protected, with copyright law provisions granted for certain fair use purposes.

How can you prove that it came from a movie? You can not copyright words else no one would be able to say anything. That's what trademarks are for.

easy from the perspective of this law: build a db of every line spoken in every movie. Then block all posts containing a line from this db. If this blocks too much, dang provides human appeal.

UPDATE: To be clear, I am very much against this law. The collateral damage will be immense. But the politicians who want this law, they simply dont care.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by nopacience »

That will screw the life of big platforms under theirdomain.com

its time for users to go back to the roots of the internet and have your stuff under yourdomain.com

that way you will be liable for your stuff in yourdomain.com

back to the roots we go

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by nicoburns »

drewbuschhorn wrote: post #195
hyperman1 wrote: post #185

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For your info: Hacker news is: - an Internet platform - that organizes and promotes large amounts of posts - which are copyright-protected works uploaded by their users - in order to make a profit as it is an advertisement for y combinator. So hacker news needs a filter lest you quote a sentence from some movie. What is 'meant' is irrelevant. Important is the letter of the law. Besides, 'meant' is a very dangerous wo…

I feel like we had this exact same argument over GDPR, but no horror stories have descended about Mom and Pop operations run out of business but the evil Brusselcrats.

GDPR has a very worthy purpose though: companies were taking far too many liberties with people's personal data. I don't see analogous problems with copyrighted material (there is some infringement, but it doesn't really seem problematic to society).

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by dasil003 »

erik_seaberg wrote: post #331
TeMPOraL wrote: post #326

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I can buy arguments that extra compliance efforts make some businesses not cost-effective in Europe, but this particular argument is nonsense. It's like a factory that dumped toxic waste into a river complaining that, because of a ban on dumping toxic waste into rivers, they now "have to" dump them to nearby meadows instead, and that makes local customers unhappy. "Detrimental effect on user experience" is an intende…

It's not just the costs, it's attaching a 20M EUR risk to activity that may not even be worth 20M of revenue.

No, the risk is created by abusing customer data. If the cost was less than revenue then it’d be a toothless law.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by c3o »

Zak wrote: post #314
c3o wrote: post #267

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Another article of the same law (Article 11) would apply copyright also to shortest excerpts of news articles, anything longer than "individual words". (Colloquially known as the "link tax" provision.) So even reproducing the full title of a news article would likely be an infringement, and then that becomes another thing platforms take liability for/need to filter under Article 13. Whether there's a link or not woul…

> It's meant to allow EU news publishers to bill Google and the social networks for distributing snippets/link previews of their content. I see this as an unreasonable reduction of previously established fair use. The fact that most of the companies linking to news articles using snippets are American, like Google and Facebook, while many news publishers involved are EU-based hints at a geopolitical motivation rather…

You are absolutely right: The mere fact that these publishers don't block Google using robots.txt and that they in fact spend a lot of effort optimizing their metadata so that link previews show up just the way they want them to proves that it's at least mutually beneficial, and not an abuse of their intellectual property.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by c3o »

phissk wrote: post #353
c3o wrote: post #269

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This would indeed seem to be a copyright infringement in many EU member states. For example, in Germany it wouldn't fall under the quotation exception (no such thing as vague "fair use" here), since you aren't critically engaging with or commenting on the quote, which would be allowed – you just reproduced it. The movie studio could now hold HN liable. Well, except that HN is not under EU jurisdiction, so it could pr…

Your post, right here, discussing quote, makes this fair use.

True, I guess you could see "the comment thread" as the larger (collaborative) intellectual work within which the movie was quoted for illustrative purposes.
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