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Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by Kiro »

ddxxdd wrote: post #164
porlune wrote: post #140

This seems like it will benefit the whales more than the fish, as they can absorb copyright infringement costs into their already expansive legal departments, whereas a smaller company will likely go belly up or be chummed.

The same can be said for every other EU law. Net neutrality regulations include vague language that allows "reasonable network management", which is a multi-million dollar legal hassle that stresses small ISP owners. And I shudder to think how Duck Duck Go's programmers will manage to comply with the EU's "right to be forgotten [from a search engine's results]". I hope the politicians in Washington, D.C. recognize th…

DDG can safely rely on Bing for that.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

iagooar wrote: post #79
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the EU is a functioning technocracy, only it's not really functioning is it?

You can say anything you want about the EU, but it's perfectly functioning and always has been.

> it's perfectly functioning and always has been.

The EU is far from "perfectly functioning". It functions pretty well but it's not perfect. There's some non-negligible group in pretty much every country that rightfully has some major gripe with the EU. If there wasn't we wouldn't have things like Brexit. I get that you can't please everyone but if the UK GTFOing isn't indicative of some sort of imperfection than I don't know what is.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by thesaint »

akie wrote: post #127
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you ever been to rural Germany, Italy, France or heard of gilets jaunes? Any idea why they might exist? I live in a very poor EU country (out of choice) and most young people fuck off to Germany or France because their home states have no jobs for them. They don't come back either which causes a massive brain drain on these places. Ask the so called middle class in Croatia, Slovakia, Italy what they think of the…

- I lived in Germany - lived in France - now I live in Eastern EU Seems like you're getting plenty of benefits out of the EU. Most of the issues you mention, while acknowledging that they're real, are not caused by the EU.

Interesting. Germany and France have gotten plenty out of it. The Eastern EU is in the 'honeymoon' period, or rather being fattened for the milking...

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by corin_ »

petre wrote: post #121
mpartel wrote: post #45

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Your MEPs, politely and in your own words.

I've already tried e-mailing the MEPs, it doesn't work. If you do get a response it goes in the lines of sorry mate, but you're wrong, here's why blah blah; our party consensus is that we're doing the right thing by voting for this controversial measure . Good luck with that.

That doesn't mean that contacting MEPs "doesn't work", you can't expect them to change their opinion immediately based on receiving one email from one of their constituents.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by nmeofthestate »

Tor3 wrote: post #138
nmeofthestate wrote: post #119

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The only thing I've noticed is even more website popups about cookies that make it hard to anything but give the go-ahead to all the cookies, but I'm not sure whether that is a result of GDPR.

That's pre-GDPR (barely), and the original idea was that users should be able to opt out of cookie tracking. But instead most web sites just added that super-annoying (particularly when it covers the whole page) pop-up giving you one option: Accept cookies or else. That was not the intention of the regulation at all. So far I've seen only a single web site that actually gave you the option to not use cookies (yes/no,…

Yes, it's normally websites run by "good people" (some non-commercial organisation) that let you easily say yes/no. Media websites implement the dark pattern of Yes/[wilderness of options page].

This is pre-GDPR, but it feels like since GDPR there's been a real uptick in this.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by nmeofthestate »

pas wrote: post #150
nmeofthestate wrote: post #119

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The only thing I've noticed is even more website popups about cookies that make it hard to anything but give the go-ahead to all the cookies, but I'm not sure whether that is a result of GDPR.

now you should be free and bold to click the disagree / refuse / no-cookies button and get the experience you expect. because if the tracking/ad/shit/any cookies are not fundamentally required for the page to show, then denying you the usage of the site is a violation of your privacy (because you can't give selective consent to specific data uses) sure, a lot of sites throw up the ugly banner, but now you can click f…

>now you should be free and bold to click the disagree / refuse / no-cookies button and get the experience you expect.

This button doesn't exist in 90% of cases. Websites tend to dump you into a complex, deliberately tedious to edit options UI rather than providing a "No" button.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by dkersten »

Tor3 wrote: post #138
nmeofthestate wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing I've noticed is even more website popups about cookies that make it hard to anything but give the go-ahead to all the cookies, but I'm not sure whether that is a result of GDPR.

That's pre-GDPR (barely), and the original idea was that users should be able to opt out of cookie tracking. But instead most web sites just added that super-annoying (particularly when it covers the whole page) pop-up giving you one option: Accept cookies or else. That was not the intention of the regulation at all. So far I've seen only a single web site that actually gave you the option to not use cookies (yes/no,…

I’ve seen a lot that give you yes/no options. Some of them tell you that you can’t use the site, sorry, when you click no, but I’ve noticed many let me continue on anyway.

Of course, I’ve seen even more that give you only an accept option... that, or as sibling commenter said yes/wilderness of options.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by ben_w »

ddxxdd wrote: post #164
porlune wrote: post #140

This seems like it will benefit the whales more than the fish, as they can absorb copyright infringement costs into their already expansive legal departments, whereas a smaller company will likely go belly up or be chummed.

The same can be said for every other EU law. Net neutrality regulations include vague language that allows "reasonable network management", which is a multi-million dollar legal hassle that stresses small ISP owners. And I shudder to think how Duck Duck Go's programmers will manage to comply with the EU's "right to be forgotten [from a search engine's results]". I hope the politicians in Washington, D.C. recognize th…

The EU doesn’t have net neutrality. I know this because I’ve seen offers which include zero-rating Netflix.

America isn’t free from regulatory capture, despite being historically better at innovation than either my home nation or my nation of birth.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

Jommi wrote: post #122
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you ever been to rural Germany, Italy, France or heard of gilets jaunes? Any idea why they might exist? I live in a very poor EU country (out of choice) and most young people fuck off to Germany or France because their home states have no jobs for them. They don't come back either which causes a massive brain drain on these places. Ask the so called middle class in Croatia, Slovakia, Italy what they think of the…

This is such an anecdotal experience that I don't even know why you posted it. With this kind of harsh judgement I would expect at least some sources.

google has you covered, but here some starters:

Germany tackles benefit abuse as migration soars from eastern EU https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-immigration/germa...

Germany benefits from the exploitation of Eastern European workers – a shocking documentary of BR television channel https://trans.info/en/germany-benefits-from-the-exploitation...

Europe's 'food apartheid': are brands in the east lower quality than in the west? https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/15/europes-f...

Food brands 'cheat' eastern European shoppers with inferior products https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/15/food-bran...

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by humanetech »

> Licenses that platforms take out cover uploads by their users, as long as they act non-commercially or “don’t generate significant revenues”

Am I reading correctly that when you have a forum (e.g. Discourse) which is non-commercial i.e. for an open community, that any users uploading stuff or quoting article sections are exempt from this regulation (even though the forum is hosted on Discourse servers on a paid plan)?

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