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Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by gambiting »

StavrosK wrote: post #39
eps wrote: post #35

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Because English is one of the simplest languages to learn. A better question is why not Spanish?

Please stop with this fiction. I bet you never had to learn English as a second language. It's very hard.

English is a second language for me and compared to many other languages it's comparatively very simple, or at least you can start to understand and speak it at very basic level incredibly quickly. The biggest issue with English is completely inconsistent and illogical pronunciation, you can have two words that have the same spelling but different meaning depending on how they are pronounced - read and read for example. But the grammar is almost laughably simple and the lack of any sort of variation when it comes to gendered adjectives and verbs puts it firmly in the category of easy languages to learn.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by belorn »

> Legal content should not be blocked.

I don't think this will happen, but if this is actually made into a liability then this would create a rather interesting situation where a platform could be sued for blocking fair use content and miss-identified content.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by y4mi »

offsetr wrote: post #62
chunkyslink wrote: post #24

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I would love to be cut off from Facebook. Please do it now.

Too bad, gdpr actually makes facebook stronger..

Not unless their lawyers somehow keep the regulation from being enforced for them indefinitely.

The regulation itself forbids their main income source

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by haywirez »

toyg wrote: post #51
haywirez wrote: post #13

I'm worried about influencing outcomes in the EU due to language barriers, especially on boring and "unsexy" issues like Internet regulation. It'd be important for the EU to be able to vote for representatives regardless of your primary jurisdiction. Even if I manage to convince most of the representatives from my region, they will be outvoted by the French who had a big hand in passing the proposal forward the last…

I find that unlikely to believe. Yes, the de-facto working languages in Bruxelles are English and French, but chances are everyone knows both (or even English better). If you send material to MEPs of any country, they will be able to read it if they want - there are dedicated translation services, as you might imagine in an org working with dozens of different ethnicities. Language acts simply as a constituency signa…

Correct - this proposal is coming from the EPP, the largest party in the EU parliament. Predictably, most of their MEPs will just blindly vote for it along party lines. Language barriers are crucial in terms of their constituency universe (plus the older demographic skew). Their voters don't read Reddit, Twitter or anything in English and this issue is nowhere near their radars.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by Double_a_92 »

StavrosK wrote: post #39
eps wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because English is one of the simplest languages to learn. A better question is why not Spanish?

Please stop with this fiction. I bet you never had to learn English as a second language. It's very hard.

I spoke German and Italian before learning English, and English didn't seem that terribly hard. Most words have the same stem as latin or germanic languages so it's easy to remember the vocabulary. The grammar isn't very complex. And there aren't special letters in the alphabet. Only the pronounciation is complex, because things are often spoken differently than how they are written.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by Double_a_92 »

radarsat1 wrote: post #10

The GDPR has already resulted in quite a few websites simply refusing to serve the EU. Will this clinch it? Will the EU be cut off form the internet due to over-regulation that no one wants to put themselves at risk over?

Because those pages sucked and didn't want to protect it's users privacy.

It's like saying that criminal laws prevented people from getting happily scammed.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by dageshi »

yani wrote: post #30
radarsat1 wrote: post #10

The GDPR has already resulted in quite a few websites simply refusing to serve the EU. Will this clinch it? Will the EU be cut off form the internet due to over-regulation that no one wants to put themselves at risk over?

Businesses cannot afford it and no, it is not happening. Also, abusing GDPR is one thing, how about all these companies start to pay VAT and taxes on sales originated from EU.

I assume you'd be happy for EU businesses to reciprocate and pay US sales taxes on goods & services sold into the US?

Even if you are, I'm not actually sure that would be better for anyone involved. Seems like it would essentially stop or severely diminish online commerce between US/EU as too much hassle.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by iagooar »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #59
jaabe wrote: post #46

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It’s not made by EU politicians, it’s made by a combination of lawyers, engineers and public administration majors. In many ways the EU is a functioning technocracy, and if you ever read through the actual EU documents it shows. They are almost always sound, they are also massively bureaucratic and around 90% longer than necessary, but I’ve never read through something that wasn’t sound. Disclaimer: I haven’t read up…

>the EU is a functioning technocracy, only it's not really functioning is it?

You can say anything you want about the EU, but it's perfectly functioning and always has been.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by krona »

danijelb wrote: post #22

In a weird way, this might be EU's strategy to finally deal significant damage to Google and Facebook, as this law will encourage development of alternatives on decentralized peer-to-peer technologies. However, I'm not sure if EU politicians are that smart...

The strategy is legal, political and economic harmonisation. It does this by passing vague legislation that requires its own court to interpret. Everything else, literally everything, is secondary. And so a nation state is born.
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