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Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by coldtea »

iagooar wrote: post #79
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the EU is a functioning technocracy, only it's not really functioning is it?

You can say anything you want about the EU, but it's perfectly functioning and always has been.

"Perfectly functioning and always has been"? That is beyond delusion.

The EU is co-ruled by an opaque system of non elected bodies, under the table deals, and backroom diplomacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_deficit_in_the_Euro...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/09/brexit...

https://www.economist.com/special-report/2017/03/23/how-to-a...

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1007/S12290-012-021...

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/30/opinion/the-euros-democra...

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/11/i-was-teenage-...

https://www.yanisvaroufakis.eu/books/adults-in-the-room/

And those are mostly official establishment narratives -- if you look at critiques from the left (and libertatians) the picture is much much bleaker.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by Timpy »

radarsat1 wrote: post #10

The GDPR has already resulted in quite a few websites simply refusing to serve the EU. Will this clinch it? Will the EU be cut off form the internet due to over-regulation that no one wants to put themselves at risk over?

But it's in a website's favor to serve as many consumers as possible, won't any group that isn't willing to conform to EU standards be out competed by those that do?

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by chrisweekly »

porlune wrote: post #140

This seems like it will benefit the whales more than the fish, as they can absorb copyright infringement costs into their already expansive legal departments, whereas a smaller company will likely go belly up or be chummed.

Kudos for the extended, non-mixed metaphor. I think it works!

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by anticensor »

philpem wrote: post #114
nercury wrote: post #70

Small companies won't have resources to create their own content filters. Guess who is going to sell content-filter-as-a-service?

"Facebook Content Filter - protect your site from A13, only $1 per upload..."

€100 extra if you also wish for Google ContentID protection

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by JetSetWilly »

StavrosK wrote: post #90
Double_a_92 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I spoke German and Italian before learning English, and English didn't seem that terribly hard. Most words have the same stem as latin or germanic languages so it's easy to remember the vocabulary. The grammar isn't very complex. And there aren't special letters in the alphabet. Only the pronounciation is complex, because things are often spoken differently than how they are written.

You basically spoke the two languages English is made of, so naturally it was easy to remember the vocabulary for you. Special letters in the alphabet is only hard when you're trying to write the words, but English spelling being mostly unrelated to pronunciation is a major source of pain for learners. Tenses are formed irregularly, much of the language is phrasal verbs which there's no way around learning, and since…

On the other hand you don't need to worry about cases, gender etc with English, as it jettisoned those features. No need to memorise what gender a table is, or wondering which one of 14 cases to use.

Every language is irregular because humans are irregular, but I don't think it is justified to paint English as somehow more difficult than other languages. The difficulty of a language just depends on the languages you already know, prior exposure, available resources to learn it etc - and the last two of these are typically much better for English than most other languages.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by ahje »

yani wrote: post #18
shubb wrote: post #8

So usenet is dead, right? 90%, usenet ISPs are a download server pretenting to be a mail server so they can claim safe harbour. If they are responsible for auditing their content, presumably this isn't viable anymore...

I am so tired of this abuse ... finally there is light

How will this help? The usenet providers will be responsible for the uploads their own customers do -- not for the content posted elsewhere on Usenet.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by coldtea »

pennaMan wrote: post #132
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

have you ever been to rural Germany, Italy, France or heard of gilets jaunes? Any idea why they might exist? I live in a very poor EU country (out of choice) and most young people fuck off to Germany or France because their home states have no jobs for them. They don't come back either which causes a massive brain drain on these places. Ask the so called middle class in Croatia, Slovakia, Italy what they think of the…

The EU maybe is functional maybe not, but one thing is for sure: The Kremlin anti-western propaganda machine is obviously highly functional. More and more people are blaming their countries poverty on the EU while being oblivious to the actual scope of the EU jurisdiction, to the detriment of both their home country and the EU. Without the EU the poor countries would be way, way worse off.

Yeah, those silly people, blaming an EU that enforces a monetary policy for the benefit of Germany, imposes pro-corporate and anti-labour laws and agreements (Maastricht, Lisbon treaty, etc), and is ruled by backroom deals and "might is right", for their countries ills...

Obviously they were victims of the "Kremlin anti-western propaganda"...

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by piotr1212 »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #85
sexydefinesher wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you see as not functioning in the EU?

have you ever been to rural Germany, Italy, France or heard of gilets jaunes? Any idea why they might exist? I live in a very poor EU country (out of choice) and most young people fuck off to Germany or France because their home states have no jobs for them. They don't come back either which causes a massive brain drain on these places. Ask the so called middle class in Croatia, Slovakia, Italy what they think of the…

How is any of that related to a non-functioning EU?

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by thaumasiotes »

haywirez wrote: post #13

I'm worried about influencing outcomes in the EU due to language barriers, especially on boring and "unsexy" issues like Internet regulation. It'd be important for the EU to be able to vote for representatives regardless of your primary jurisdiction. Even if I manage to convince most of the representatives from my region, they will be outvoted by the French who had a big hand in passing the proposal forward the last…

> adding a link to this false-positive emulator script[0] as an example of how stupid the proposal is.

This is a very interesting twitter thread. The script, and the posted screenshots, repeatedly demonstrate the solution to a single very simple math problem for particular values of input variables. It seems that Alec Muffett is relying on the idea that he wrote a script -- a script which was easy to write and solves a very easy problem -- to provide more credibility than the laws of probability have in their own right, which is -- to me -- 100% backwards. If your script disagrees with the math, particularly at this level, the odds are overwhelming that your script has a bug, not that the math was wrong.

Re: Article 13 is almost finished and will change the internet as we know it

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Post by pas »

nmeofthestate wrote: post #119
jillesvangurp wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GDPR caused some non EU media businesses to preemptively block EU users because their primary readership is not in the EU and their primary business model is abusing their users in ways that GDPR restricts. GDPR did not really change the media landscape in the EU. Business as usual here. Mostly companies went through a brief period where they had to consult lawyers and expensive agencies on how to cover their asses.…

The only thing I've noticed is even more website popups about cookies that make it hard to anything but give the go-ahead to all the cookies, but I'm not sure whether that is a result of GDPR.

now you should be free and bold to click the disagree / refuse / no-cookies button and get the experience you expect.

because if the tracking/ad/shit/any cookies are not fundamentally required for the page to show, then denying you the usage of the site is a violation of your privacy (because you can't give selective consent to specific data uses)

sure, a lot of sites throw up the ugly banner, but now you can click fuck cookies, because fuck cookies if you only want to read a fucking HTML page with pictures. they can still make stats about your visit and aggregate them, but tracking cookies are absurd. (they can filter out repeated visits by looking at IP addresses and browser fingerprinting and/or they can ask you nicely to help them get better stats, but now they have to unbundle that from the ad tracking purpose.)

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