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'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc
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#32Not sure why this is on HN, since psycology isn’t a science in its current form: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/13/news/la-ol-blowback-... > Why can we definitively say that? Because psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally,…
I don't really get why comments like this continue to pop up on HN. There are many non-science topics that make their way to the front page of HN regularly. Per the guidelines, on-topic submissions do not need to strictly be about programming, startups, or in this case, science.
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#33Not sure why this is on HN, since psycology isn’t a science in its current form: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/13/news/la-ol-blowback-... > Why can we definitively say that? Because psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally,…
I'm not a psychologist but to my knowledge the study of the subject is to a large part statistics which is seems pretty much there to cover these points.
It’s satstics applied to cultural anthropology in its current form, it doesn’t have a hard underpinning and changes from culture to culture. So it’s just relative opinions most of the time.
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#34"achievement" So encouraging men to achieve success in life is harmful?
36 page paper, summarized and simplified to be printed in something mass market. It's pretty clear that what's listed are meant as a combination of things, even in the summary.
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#35> You have to have strong women in order to deal with masculine men. That's why masculinity is constantly being eroded, and diminished and dissolved [..] because it allows women to be weak. If you have weak men, then you can have weak women. And that's what we have.
- Camille Paglia
Re: 'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc
#36Not sure why this is on HN, since psycology isn’t a science in its current form: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/13/news/la-ol-blowback-... > Why can we definitively say that? Because psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally,…
I don't really get why comments like this continue to pop up on HN. There are many non-science topics that make their way to the front page of HN regularly. Per the guidelines, on-topic submissions do not need to strictly be about programming, startups, or in this case, science.
This is fake science that’s why and it’s not helpful.
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#37Who specifically are the authors of this piece of flaming garbage? They should be ridiculed. https://www.apa.org/about/policy/boys-men-practice-guideline... First name on the list: Dr. Fredric Rabinowitz https://i.imgur.com/YeiuhcF.jpg The _picture_ of a man lmao
Uh, fuck off with that line of thinking. Alan Alda was one of the first leading men who was slim and "sensitive" instead of brawny. Is he not a man?
I'm approximately 6'0, 230. I'm running in a marathon in a few months. I also have pierced ears (plural), like the guy in the picture. Am I not a man?
Jason Momoa is a man. So is Woody Allen. Using someone's physical appearance to categorize them and dismiss their opinions is decidedly unmanly.
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#38This makes a lot of sense, and I'm glad it's finally being treated in this way. There's 100% nothing wrong with being a man, and there's nothing wrong in taking pride in it. There is, however, a ton of societal pressure to do dangerous, harmful things to ourselves to "prove" our manliness/masculinity. Ignoring pain and sickness because fear of being weak, taking a lesser role in the development of our children becaus…
Whether you like it or not, people of both genders will be competitive. Ultimately, this is why socialism fails. The incentive to compete essentially disappears. If everyone is forced to be paid the same, why try harder than anyone else? The goal then becomes to game the system as much as possible, where the ruling class accumulates wealth. However, the mere accumulation of wealth is not itself a productive endeavor.
You need only look to the former Soviet Union and republics for evidence of this.
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#39This makes a lot of sense, and I'm glad it's finally being treated in this way. There's 100% nothing wrong with being a man, and there's nothing wrong in taking pride in it. There is, however, a ton of societal pressure to do dangerous, harmful things to ourselves to "prove" our manliness/masculinity. Ignoring pain and sickness because fear of being weak, taking a lesser role in the development of our children becaus…
Whether you like it or not, people of both genders will be competitive. Ultimately, this is why socialism fails. The incentive to compete essentially disappears. If everyone is forced to be paid the same, why try harder than anyone else? The goal then becomes to game the system as much as possible, where the ruling class accumulates wealth. However, the mere accumulation of wealth is not itself a productive endeavor.…
Competition isn't bad, but harming yourself in service of competition is. You can compete without endangering yourself and harming others. You can be the best without having to play the "I'm manlier than you" game.
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#40This is sexism. People should avoid labels such as "masculine" or "feminine". How would we react if they said, for example, "traditional jewishness" (is considered harmful)? I think feminist movement is actively hurting itself by adopting divisive labels such as "toxic masculinity", "patriarchy" or even "feminism". We have gender neutral way of talking about these phenomena, there is no need to invoke gender.
Societal pressures? Role conformity?
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Though looking at other discussions, it looks like people are more interested in playing blame games somehow.