'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc

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Post by NoRagrets » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:08 PM UTC

'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc
latimes.com

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Post by busterarm » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:32 PM UTC

"achievement"

So encouraging men to achieve success in life is harmful?

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Post by jamp897 » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:34 PM UTC

Not sure why this is on HN, since psycology isn’t a science in its current form:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/13/news/la-ol-blowback-...

> Why can we definitively say that? Because psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability.

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:34 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #2

"achievement" So encouraging men to achieve success in life is harmful?

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Post by orestes910 » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:34 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #2

"achievement" So encouraging men to achieve success in life is harmful?

I also liked how "risk taking" was in the toxic group, while "courage" was seen as a positive. Right alongside "leadership".

So, be courageous and lead, but don't do things that require courage or put you in a position of leadership.

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:34 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #2

"achievement" So encouraging men to achieve success in life is harmful?

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Post by z_open » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:34 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #2

"achievement" So encouraging men to achieve success in life is harmful?

I have a hard time with people who believe everything in life is a competition. At work, they have to get ahead. At home, they still have to get ahead. When they eat breakfast, they have to do it better than you. We need to teach people to work towards society's ends, rather than their own.

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Post by dekken_ » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:35 PM UTC

z_open wrote: post #7

busterarm wrote: post #2

"achievement" So encouraging men to achieve success in life is harmful?

I have a hard time with people who believe everything in life is a competition. At work, they have to get ahead. At home, they still have to get ahead. When they eat breakfast, they have to do it better than you. We need to teach people to work towards society's ends, rather than their own.

That would be a "pathological" form of competitiveness

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Post by camdenlock » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:35 PM UTC

There's no science to be found here, only the assertions of what is essentially a religious ideology. Pretty disheartening.

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Post by karpodiem » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:35 PM UTC

So would (self) pursuit of being physically attractive (high muscle mass / low body fat) and intelligence (eventually leading to earning power to support yourself and a family) equate to "eschewal of the appearance of weakness"?

I'd like to hear the APA's answer to this.