'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc • Hacker News Board

Re: 'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc

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Post by blablabla123 » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:37 PM UTC

jamp897 wrote: post #3

Not sure why this is on HN, since psycology isn’t a science in its current form: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/13/news/la-ol-blowback-... > Why can we definitively say that? Because psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally,…

I'm not a psychologist but to my knowledge the study of the subject is to a large part statistics which is seems pretty much there to cover these points.

Re: 'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc

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Post by axaxs » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:38 PM UTC

z_open wrote: post #7

busterarm wrote: post #2

"achievement" So encouraging men to achieve success in life is harmful?

I have a hard time with people who believe everything in life is a competition. At work, they have to get ahead. At home, they still have to get ahead. When they eat breakfast, they have to do it better than you. We need to teach people to work towards society's ends, rather than their own.

I do too. But what I've noticed is that those types of people tend to get ahead in their careers at most companies I've been at. And with some companies -still- doing stack ranking, I guess that behavior is encouraged.

Re: 'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc

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Post by wil999 » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:38 PM UTC

Sounds like bs to me. Just some more far left rhetoric disguised in another insidious semi intellectual garb.

Re: 'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc

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Post by jamp897 » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:38 PM UTC

okl wrote: post #16

jamp897 wrote: post #3

Not sure why this is on HN, since psycology isn’t a science in its current form: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/13/news/la-ol-blowback-... > Why can we definitively say that? Because psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally,…

But HN is not only for science, is it?

It’s not about pretend science IMO.

Re: 'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc

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Post by onetimemanytime » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:38 PM UTC

chrisco255 wrote: post #20

onetimemanytime wrote: post #12

I call BS on their assessment. #MeToo bandwagon. Like it or not, men and women are NOT (edited omission) built the same way, and that includes more than just their private parts. What's harmful, aggression for example, can be dealt with without calling the entire masculinity harmful. The rest (stoicism, competitiveness, dominance) is what helps drive humanity ahead

Except they're not built the same way? There's significant differences in psychological and physical factors.

I meant NOT built the same way. Sorry

Re: 'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc

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Post by makerofspoons » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:38 PM UTC

In the face of ecological collapse, diminishing living standards, and increasing authoritarianism I fail to see how stoicism is anything but healthy. To overcome challenges in the present and future we need fortitude, calmness, and patience rather than panic.

Re: 'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc

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Post by 762236 » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:38 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #2

"achievement" So encouraging men to achieve success in life is harmful?

They're saying that men end up constraining themselves. Men could achieve a lot more without the constraints of masculine social mores.

Re: 'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc

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Post by jrauser » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

Constraining people via arbitrary norms is harmful. Putting people into tidy little boxes is harmful to those that don't neatly fit in their assigned box.

The smartest HR person I ever worked with once told me "Your standardized people processes work well for about 80% of your staff. The other 20% is where enlightened, thoughtful management comes into play."

Re: 'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc

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Post by js8 » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

This is sexism. People should avoid labels such as "masculine" or "feminine". How would we react if they said, for example, "traditional jewishness" (is considered harmful)?

I think feminist movement is actively hurting itself by adopting divisive labels such as "toxic masculinity", "patriarchy" or even "feminism". We have gender neutral way of talking about these phenomena, there is no need to invoke gender.

Re: 'Traditional masculinity' labeled 'harmful' by the American Psychological Assc

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Post by rfugger » Thu, Jan 10, 2019, 5:39 PM UTC

busterarm wrote: post #2

"achievement" So encouraging men to achieve success in life is harmful?

It can be, certainly. But not always, and quite possibly not even usually, depending on what is meant by "achievement". Failing to encourage achievement can also be harmful. The problem here is that one-word summaries of detailed positions aren't useful, and only lead to semantic arguments.