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Re: Japan's Latest Rock Star Is A 3D Hologram - Draws Huge Crowds

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Post by sorbus »

djtumolo wrote: post #16
camtarn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly different. Gorillaz band members are usually voiced by one real artist (although this artist can change from album to album), whereas Hatsune Miku is one step removed - while there was a real voice actress providing the foundation for her voice, the actual lyrics sung don't pass through any human mouth. The persona of Hatsune Miku also seems to have evolved a little more organically: the style and personalit…

So do they record and then playback, or is it voiced fully by computers?

Entirely computers. Hatsune Miku and similar software are basically voice synthesizers geared towards music, as I understand it, not hugely unlike other text-to-speech programs but with more control of pitch, tone, and so forth.

Also, as far as making artificial intelligences compose and perform, it might be interesting to hook up Hatsune Miku to a Markov chain generator[1], and feed it a bunch of j-pop as input. Would probably take some fine-tuning and modification to get it to give output that the synthesizer would understand (as it would be dealing with both words and notes), but it's not too far fetched.

[1] Which isn't an AI by any means, being more of way of generating text based on statistical correlations between words in the input body of data, but it comes up with some rather interesting things.

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Post by istvanp »

djtumolo wrote: post #16
camtarn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly different. Gorillaz band members are usually voiced by one real artist (although this artist can change from album to album), whereas Hatsune Miku is one step removed - while there was a real voice actress providing the foundation for her voice, the actual lyrics sung don't pass through any human mouth. The persona of Hatsune Miku also seems to have evolved a little more organically: the style and personalit…

So do they record and then playback, or is it voiced fully by computers?

You input the lyrics, notes, scale, tempo and dynamics; the software will produce a voice based on those parameters. Then you can record it to share it as an audio file. Here's a quick FAQ on the official site: http://www.vocaloid.com/en/technical_faq.html

Re: Japan's Latest Rock Star Is A 3D Hologram - Draws Huge Crowds

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Post by daten »

tomjen3 wrote: post #13

Hmm, interesting. Can't wait for the first time they have to sue a real flesh and blood human being over the copyrights to a song by a hologram. Still, the future its going to be awesome.

I would guess that with most pop. music performers the copyright to their songs are owned by the "Record Label" or company that signs their paycheck.

None of the money from current RIAA lawsuits goes back to the artists.

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Post by [deleted] »

BjornW wrote: post #4

Wow! This reminds me of the book Idoru by Willam Gibson. Idoru on Wikipedia: "In the post Tokyo/San Francisco earthquake world of the early 21st century, Colin Laney is referred to agents of the aging mega-rock star Rez (of the musical group Lo/Rez, and seemingly very much styled after former The Smiths frontman, Morrissey) for a job using his peculiar talent of sifting through vast amounts of mundane data to find "n…

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Post by throw_away »

BjornW wrote: post #4

Wow! This reminds me of the book Idoru by Willam Gibson. Idoru on Wikipedia: "In the post Tokyo/San Francisco earthquake world of the early 21st century, Colin Laney is referred to agents of the aging mega-rock star Rez (of the musical group Lo/Rez, and seemingly very much styled after former The Smiths frontman, Morrissey) for a job using his peculiar talent of sifting through vast amounts of mundane data to find "n…

this is my favorite line in idoru, which I think is relevant to hn (realizing now that even the name of the collective is prescient):

"Someone had the idea to turn the killfile inside out. This is not really how it happened, you understand, but this is how the story is told: Hak Nam were angry, because the net was very free, you could do what you wanted, but then the governments and the companies, they had different ideas of what you could and couldn't do. So these people, they found a way to unravel something. A little piece, a piece, like cloth. They made something like a killfile of everything, everything they didn't like, and they turned that inside out."

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Post by whalesalad »

Reminds me of Genki Rockets, which also has a "vocaloid" singer synthesized from a couple of female singers. I first found out about this sort of think when I was working for Henk Rogers (Tetris mogul) down in Honolulu. The office was always full of really big names from Japan, like the guys from Square Enix, Nintendo, etc... The guys that made Lumines II were in the office playing some sick blu-ray footage of a Genki Rockets concert and from that moment on I was hooked. The DJ was wearing an astronaut suit and there was a hologram projection of Lumi singing and dancing above the crowd. So sick!

Here is a link to Genki Rockets -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genki_Rockets

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Post by Timothee »

I wasn't expecting an anime character, but more something like in the movie S1m0ne (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0258153/).

In that movie, the movie/pop star is computer generated but is a "real" person and there actually is a scene with a 3D hologram of her on stage.

As someone else mentioned, though I find that to be fascinating, I'm more interested in what they mean exactly by "3D hologram" and how it works.

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Post by vcrash »

barber wrote: post #9
BjornW wrote: post #4

Wow! This reminds me of the book Idoru by Willam Gibson. Idoru on Wikipedia: "In the post Tokyo/San Francisco earthquake world of the early 21st century, Colin Laney is referred to agents of the aging mega-rock star Rez (of the musical group Lo/Rez, and seemingly very much styled after former The Smiths frontman, Morrissey) for a job using his peculiar talent of sifting through vast amounts of mundane data to find "n…

I'm starting to think Gibson is writing the future.

These days, he focuses on writing the present
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