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Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by partiallypro »

tivert wrote: post #248
partiallypro wrote: post #237

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Except those had been going on for years, and now all of a sudden, after Facebook changes their algorithm, journalists notice that Facebook has a problem.

> Except those had been going on for years, and now all of a sudden, after Facebook changes their algorithm, journalists notice that Facebook has a problem. I think the 2016 presidential election has a lot more to do with the increased scrutiny. It brought both the media's direct attention and motivated many insiders to make public criticisms of Facebook, which fuels coverage.

The question also is, had Hillary won, would there have even been much increased scrutiny from that? Or would the story have merely faded away.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by timrichard »

culot wrote: post #220
petre wrote: post #199

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I'm using the bundled install, micro I think. It's okay, it works just fine. I always wondered what to replace my Nexus 5 with, thanx for the info.

Careful about buying 'new' copies of that phone on Ebay: there are none. Almost all of the new copies bring sold on Ebay for the last year or so are fraudulent. Finding an actual new LG V20, outside of perhaps Korea, is unlikely. edit: just checked Ebay, and yup, there are no legit new copies to be had, except for maybe AT&T or unlocked variants for $400+. There's a very low chance that anyone will be/or has been abl…

Item was described as "new and sealed factory unlocked", and I had no complaints when it arrived. If it is repackaged, I was completely unable to tell any difference from other new devices I can remember unpacking (new from Amazon or directly from a vendor). The spare batteries I sourced from a separate UK supplier.

It's definitely intended for AT&T, but worked fine with Three in the UK as soon as I entered the appropriate APN info and restarted.

Here's a relisting, for what it's worth :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/372561134735?ViewItem=&item=37256...

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by javagram »

rglullis wrote: post #258
Someone1234 wrote: post #251

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That isn't really accurate, you're just defining "crapware" is such a way so that Google's apps don't qualify. That's a double standard. Google Drive, Gmail, Google Photos, Play Music, Play Movies, Play Games, Play Books, Duo, Google+, and YouTube could all be called as crapware since they aren't required for core phone functions (and upsell for-profit services). I guess it is somewhat a discussion what we mean by "c…

Not defending Google's practices, but there is no double standard here. Apple's apps are also not removable in the iPhone.

Newer iOS does allow removing apps like Stocks, Weather, and Maps, although I don’t know if every trace is actually deleted.

I just deleted the built in Mail app from my iPhone and it worked fine.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by dragonwriter »

dalore wrote: post #259
partiallypro wrote: post #167

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Android itself has undeletable Google apps.

Not all Android platforms. The Amazon Fire platform which is Android is clearly lacking the Google apps and it's pain to install them.

> The Amazon Fire platform which is Android

No, while it is an AOSP-derivative, it is not Android.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by vetinari »

nildos wrote: post #249
vetinari wrote: post #235

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Macs have all consumer Apple apps preloaded, and the user cannot delete them without reinstalling macOS from scratch. Imagine a poor user, getting Apple computer with 128GB SSD, where 10GB or more is being taken by GarageBand or iMovie, which he isn't going to touch during the machine lifetime.

You can delete the big apps tho. The biggest mandatory app is iTunes and it's only 213Mb. Kind of bugs me that I can't delete 8Mbs of Chess anyway.

I just tried it in 10.14... and you are right! It wasn't possible in 10.12/10.13.

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Post by nkozyra »

culot wrote: post #223
nkozyra wrote: post #159

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It's stock, but the options are not great and the hardware companies are not especially eager to put powerful phones on that platform

There is an LG G7 with Android One. That seems like it could be a great mix of flagship hardware with stock android.

It's the best option out there but still a lower range phone.

It's actually a different phone than the non Android one version.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by BurritoAlPastor »

rglullis wrote: post #258
Someone1234 wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't really accurate, you're just defining "crapware" is such a way so that Google's apps don't qualify. That's a double standard. Google Drive, Gmail, Google Photos, Play Music, Play Movies, Play Games, Play Books, Duo, Google+, and YouTube could all be called as crapware since they aren't required for core phone functions (and upsell for-profit services). I guess it is somewhat a discussion what we mean by "c…

Not defending Google's practices, but there is no double standard here. Apple's apps are also not removable in the iPhone.

Actually, most of them are removable! Only a few apps that are deeply tied to the system (Settings, Photos, App Store, Clock, Messages, etc) can’t be deleted, but you can remove Maps, Weather, Music, Calculator, etc.

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Post by Spivak »

ProAm wrote: post #160
itmeyou wrote: post #127

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Well websites definitely don't list the trackers anywhere at all, let alone before you reach them.

Im also not paying to visit the website.

I don't see how paying for the site would change the situation at all. I still don't consent to tracking in either case and they will still track me in either case.

Like paying to go to a movie theater doesn't mean you can choose to skip the ads before the show.

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Post by Zetaphor »

LeonM wrote: post #20

It's not just FB, my Samsung S9 came preloaded with 'undeletable' Microsoft apps too. But this is nothing new, Samsung phones have came preloaded with bloat since forever. When buying a new phone I always spend some time deleting all Samsung, Microsoft, Facebook and carrier related apps. Yes, you can delete 'undeletable' apps through ADB, without rooting the device. pm uninstall -k --user 0

For anyone who can't/won't use ADB, check out Package Disabler:

https://www.packagedisabler.com/

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Post by chaostheory »

LeonM wrote: post #20

It's not just FB, my Samsung S9 came preloaded with 'undeletable' Microsoft apps too. But this is nothing new, Samsung phones have came preloaded with bloat since forever. When buying a new phone I always spend some time deleting all Samsung, Microsoft, Facebook and carrier related apps. Yes, you can delete 'undeletable' apps through ADB, without rooting the device. pm uninstall -k --user 0

If you have to insist on getting an Android device, why not just stick with Google? Is it because of the lack of public awareness that this doesn't happen on Google devices? or does it happen as well?
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