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Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by vetinari »

tssva wrote: post #175
sergiosgc wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know I can clean up crapware, via adb, but on principle vote with my wallet. It's not acceptable to charge me something that rounds to a thousand euros and then fleece me for a few extra bucks. Right now, I restrict my selection to Android One [1] phones. The current one is a Nokia 8 Sirocco. [1] https://www.android.com/one/

I bought Nokia 6.1s for my parents. Only $225 for a phone with great build quality, more than acceptable performance, quick security updates and a pure Android experience. The 32GB of storage is plenty for them. The biggest drawback is probably the camera which although not horrible is a few years behind recent flagship phones. Not everyone cares about having the latest greatest camera on their phone. The camera is p…

Similarly, I've got Nokia 7.1 for my father last Christmas. It was 330 EUR (including VAT), Android One, with Pie already available. The camera is perfectly fine for him.

Once my phone will start acting up, it will be difficult to justify the expense for a flagship, when midranges are as good as they are.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by kodablah »

charlysl wrote: post #4

Am I the only one experiencing "Facebook is so bad" fatigue? I am not implying that there should be no criticism, I believe quite the opposite, but I think we have heard all of this before, many times over.

Nope. For every post with substance there's a dozen without. But hey, as is evidenced by adjacent comments here, it's ok because FB is bad. Not possible for the valueless deluge of upvoted "news" to also be bad.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by Kurtz79 »

stabbles wrote: post #169
SippinLean wrote: post #152

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Hypocrisy doesn't invalidate the article's criticisms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

As op admits

The moment you say "everybody does that" (which is often very debatable), you are implicitly being an apologist for the subject of that specific criticism.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by vetinari »

Double_a_92 wrote: post #88
tyfon wrote: post #53

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I'm intrigued. I'm not in the market for a new phone right now as the one I have does not mess too much with android either. But for the first time in 15 years I think I might consider a Nokia next time I go shopping...

I also would have gone with Nokia because of their clean software and build quality... But they are doing weird strategies with the European market. E.g. it's almost impossible to get the 64GB version, or if you can it has a massive price increase. Or some good models just don't get released here, like the 6.1 Plus.

The 64GB versions are mostly dual-sim, and only some 30 EUR more expensive than the 32GB versions. I wouldn't call it massive price increase.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by samstave »

Bahamut wrote: post #208
higginsc wrote: post #183

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I've been an iPhone user for a decade and am a huge Apple fanboy, but even with that bias, I have to say this is a load of crap. Apple has been adding loads of undeletable bloat since forever. they only really let you start deleting the Apple pre-installed apps very recently. I still have a folder on my devices called "iCrap."

There's a huge difference between Apple's built in apps and the third party apps doing who knows what background processing/data mining on phone usage. The effects on performance such as battery life is very noticeable.

This is what I want to know; If you get a brand new device and it has FB app installed - but if you never open it or use FB, does that app still monitor things like browsing activity and report anything back to FB?

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by vetinari »

simple_phrases wrote: post #202
RandomNewGuy wrote: post #97

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I'm using a Xiaomi Mi A1 for some time now and so far so good. I was looking for a pure Android experience without all the crapware and custom UI's that come from any major phone brand and this is exactly what I got. Also, direct updates from Google for 2 years without interference from the brand (Xiaomi in this case). Which means I have security updates every month. I'm not going to buy anything that's not an Androi…

After doing research in order to buy a new phone, I find it strange that Xaomi products are being suggested as an alternative to vendor anti-privacy and bloat. MIUI is baked in and you need to register an account with Xaomi if you want to unlock your bootloader and put, say, LineageOS on your phone. Xaomi has a bootloader lockout period on their phones, during which you must wait and use MIUI for a period until your…

Mi A1 is Android One phone, i.e. no MIUI, but pure Google experience.

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Post by Fins »

Kiro wrote: post #209
gambiting wrote: post #206

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I'm really curious why you think that. Obnoxious why? How? And ancient = bad? Boy, do I have some bad news about power sockets you have at home.......

I want to embrace the future. The more phones to get rid of the headphone jack, the more headphone companies will realize they need to make wireless versions.

It would be nice if there were a way to deliver something resembling a quality audio to wireless headphones first. And a way to connect quality headphones to that magical wireless delivery system. Then you can get rid of a jack.

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Post by tivert »

partiallypro wrote: post #237
bogomipz wrote: post #193

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Oh the tiresome conspiracy theory. Right, editors from different media publications are "coordinating." They are actively strategizing and communicating with one another in order to "destroy" one of the most powerful companies in the world. Because there's zero possibility that given involvement of FB in everything from violence in Myanmar, Philippines and Sri Lank to fake political ads in US elections, FB's further…

Except those had been going on for years, and now all of a sudden, after Facebook changes their algorithm, journalists notice that Facebook has a problem.

> Except those had been going on for years, and now all of a sudden, after Facebook changes their algorithm, journalists notice that Facebook has a problem.

I think the 2016 presidential election has a lot more to do with the increased scrutiny. It brought both the media's direct attention and motivated many insiders to make public criticisms of Facebook, which fuels coverage.

Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by nildos »

vetinari wrote: post #235
aaaaaaaaaab wrote: post #189

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Laptops with preinstalled Windows also have a tremendous amount of crapware from various vendors. Trial versions of antivirus software, system "optimizing" apps, sometimes outright spyware too. Thankfully Mac users don't have to put up with this kind of consumer-hostile bullshit.

Macs have all consumer Apple apps preloaded, and the user cannot delete them without reinstalling macOS from scratch. Imagine a poor user, getting Apple computer with 128GB SSD, where 10GB or more is being taken by GarageBand or iMovie, which he isn't going to touch during the machine lifetime.

You can delete the big apps tho. The biggest mandatory app is iTunes and it's only 213Mb. Kind of bugs me that I can't delete 8Mbs of Chess anyway.

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Post by ummonk »

Yhippa wrote: post #214
partiallypro wrote: post #168

I'm no Facebook fan, but doesn't it feel like there is a coordinated media effort to destroy Facebook? It's quite strange. Outside of WSJ, Google seems to get away with it almost the same things Facebook is doing. I'm not sure what to make of it.

I can live without Facebook. I can't live without Google.

Isn’t that what makes Google more dangerous?
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