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Re: Samsung Phone Users Perturbed to Find They Can't Delete Facebook

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Post by Eli_P »

mtberatwork wrote: post #166
Eli_P wrote: post #99

If a giant like Facebook had bought Match Group and Tinder, would it be possible for it to manipulate dating and thus breeding people up to statistically significant scale? I feel it like being "@" in somebody's Dwarf Fortress. World's so narcissistic.

If they match too precisely though wouldn't they lose out on tons of recurring revenue?

You are correct, Tinder is designed keep you on hook, sustain finger-swiping reflex, and all that.

But I've been pondering from a zoomed-out, conspiracy-ish perspective. If FB merges with dating apps, I bet there will be no premium accounts at all, as revenue from them won't matter much. Because, having FB's stat-models of social groups combined with dating app leverage, they can be forced to gravitate towards or divided not only by superficial forces such as personalized news-feeds and ads, but your children potentially will become a content for you and the product for population, recycle.

The biological function of love is to reproduce as many DNA of yours as possible, or support closest neighborhood DNAs as well. It is interesting what it will be like when we'll have substituted natural love with statistically predicted one? We've been doing this already with politics and culture, only this time it will be more real-time.

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Post by driverdan »

jannes wrote: post #194
nojvek wrote: post #122

FaceBook is scammy on many levels. Their ads business always reports very inflated numbers. We spend $1000/mnth on FB ads. They show millions of impressions and 20k link clicks. However only 2k visits are shown by both google analytics and Mixpanel on the actual website. It really seems like an empire that will crumble some day.

Maybe some of your users block Google Analytics/Mixpanel while not blocking Facebook ads. For example, because they are using the mobile app or because Facebook ads are harder to block...

There is no way that 90% of their traffic is blocking both GA and Mixpanel.

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Post by culot »

nkozyra wrote: post #159
ijidak wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is awesome! I had no idea how to find the phones that have better OS support, so I was stuck with the Pixel line. Is this basically considered stock Android? Or is that yet another tier?

It's stock, but the options are not great and the hardware companies are not especially eager to put powerful phones on that platform

There is an LG G7 with Android One. That seems like it could be a great mix of flagship hardware with stock android.

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Post by lawl »

retzkek wrote: post #212
simulate wrote: post #161

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Like the iPhones, phones distributed by Google, starting with the Google Phone G1 in 2008, and continuing to the Nexus phones and today's current Pixel phones (Pixel 1, 2, and 3), have never had crapware.

I believe this is also true of the many phones branded "Android One" https://www.android.com/one/

That's what I thought too. Bought a Nokia/HMD android one phone, not through my carrier. After I put my SIM in and booted the phone it started downloading crapware my provider offers...

Luckily downloaded regularly through the play-store, so I could just immediately delete it afterwards. But it still seems there's deals going on there even if you don't buy the phone from your carrier and it's android one.

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Post by burger_moon »

Majestic121 wrote: post #91
StreamBright wrote: post #59

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Imagine the impact on energy consumption having to run these ad blockers + running the ad infrastructure. Global warming, is that you?

I looked for evidence for your claim as in my mind, energy consumption for the ad industry would not be that impressive. I found a paper written in 2010 for the Netherlands [1], claiming that : "Thus, web advertisements increase the total energy consumption of PCs by 3.4%." That's not counting the cost of running the infrastructure, and I suspect ads and tracking probably did not evolve in the right (i.e. less energy…

Is reliance on fossil fuels really a lower hanging fruit than serving ads on websites? I think I get the point you're trying to make but lower hanging fruit isn't really the right phrase.

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Post by Tempest1981 »

ProAm wrote: post #160
itmeyou wrote: post #127

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Well websites definitely don't list the trackers anywhere at all, let alone before you reach them.

Im also not paying to visit the website.

Imagine truth in advertising, if the phone/laptop said "price reduced $17 due to included crapware!"

Probably still wouldn't dissuade most buyers, unfortunately.

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Post by Retra »

AlexandrB wrote: post #125
Retra wrote: post #86

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>why annoy people who've already paid you with the crapware? Why make money once when you can make it twice? Where's the incentive for businesses to give you what you want, when you can instead just take what they offer?

> Where's the incentive for businesses to give you what you want, when you can instead just take what they offer? This is a symptom of short-term thinking in corporate leadership. Apple didn't become such a valuable brand by filling their products with third-party shit in exchange for a few bucks.

That's true up to a point. But chances are, they will eventually have corporate leadership that is desperate to make a profit, and they'll seriously consider doing the same thing.

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Post by reaperducer »

simulate wrote: post #174
partiallypro wrote: post #167

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Android itself has undeletable Google apps.

All phones have undeletable apps provided by their manufacturers. For example, on iPhones you cannot delete Messages, Phone, Safari, Clock, Photos, Health, App Store, and Camera in a conventional way.

Phone

Not much of a phone without a phone app.

But Apple does sell an iPhone without a Phone app. It's called an iPod.

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Post by sdsk8 »

LeonM wrote: post #20

It's not just FB, my Samsung S9 came preloaded with 'undeletable' Microsoft apps too. But this is nothing new, Samsung phones have came preloaded with bloat since forever. When buying a new phone I always spend some time deleting all Samsung, Microsoft, Facebook and carrier related apps. Yes, you can delete 'undeletable' apps through ADB, without rooting the device. pm uninstall -k --user 0

That work without root?
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