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New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by yourbandsucks »

briandear wrote: post #96
yourbandsucks wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we already had a deal with Iran on weapons. A deal that they were honoring, which we reneged on.

Any proof they were honoring it? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/01/opinion/tehran-nuclear-sa...

Not detonating a bomb is the proof. They were allegedly 18 months from a bomb. It's been 5-6 years. No bomb.

...It's really worrying to me that the New Left seems to embrace nationalism and American exceptionalism just like the right. It means nobody is pushing back against creating wars. A lot of people will die for it unless people wise up.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by manfredo »

stordoff wrote: post #82
manfredo wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, copyright is a good analogy: I don't get to legally torrent non-American works just because they're foreign. And if I did breach the copyright laws of a country with which the US has no extradition treaty, I absolutely could be persecuted if I travel to that country.

That's not quite the same because we recognise the copyright in domestic law. American copyright laws aren't being directly applied in other countries - different countries can have different laws on dealing with copyrighted material.

Sure, but if you violate those laws and then travel to that country they're completely allowed to persecute you. That's what happened to the Huawei exec (or to be more specific, she traveled to a country with extradition treaties with the US).

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by tempguy095432 »

manfredo wrote: post #48
shittyadmin wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't a country's laws - Huawei is a Chinese company, it's not Chinese prosecutors going after Huawei. Companies should not be subject to the laws of arbitrary countries. Would you say US copyright laws should be applied globally too?

Yes, copyright is a good analogy: I don't get to legally torrent non-American works just because they're foreign. And if I did breach the copyright laws of a country with which the US has no extradition treaty, I absolutely could be persecuted if I travel to that country.

Nope, you cant. This is like saying if I smoke weed in a country where it is legal and then go to a country B where it is illegal. Country B can arrest me because I broke their law.

Copyright law is a domestic law. You cannot be prosecuted for break US copyright law if you broke the law in an unrelated country B and you are not US citizen. Also B doesn't recognize US's jurisdiction to enforce copyright law in that country.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by user982 »

tareqak wrote: post #99
ars wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> over the top of an existing country There was no existing country, it was British territory, and Ottoman, and others. The last time the place was an independent country it was part of the ancient Kingdom of Israel, around 2,200 years ago. And now it's an independent Israel again. Same place, same people, same name, same capital. Different laws and government though.

There are and were different groups of people who existed there and considered that land their homeland.

"Do you have a flag?" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by rgbrenner »

tempguy095432 wrote: post #100
rgbrenner wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These were UN sanctions passed by the UN Security Council. China is a permanent member of the SC and has the ability to unilaterally veto any action. They voted in favor of the sanctions that Huawei violated. So Huawei violated Chinese law and US law (by involving US companies)... it's just that the Chinese don't care to enforce the sanctions they agreed to.

These were not UN sanctions. If you read the report it clearly says these were regulations placed by Washington. UN had no banking restrictions on Iran if the activity was unrelated to nuclear proliferation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran

Computer equipment can be used to run simulations for nuclear weapons (in fact, this is how nuclear weapons have been tested for decades.. and why we don't detonate them any more), and therefore is prohibited under the UN sanctions.

Additionally, the UN sanctions also prohibit banking services for prohibited items.

This is what Meng is accused of: attempting to transfer HP computers to Iran, and using the US financial system to do it. Both of these activities are prohibited by the UN sanctions.

Please reread the UN resolutions if you're unsure of this.

Edit: The bank fraud part is a US law, not under the UN sanctions.. But still that just means she committed bank fraud under US law in addition to breaking the sanctions.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by dunpeal »

1024core wrote: post #89
syntaxing wrote: post #74

Warranted or not, sanctions can be seen as one step before war. It's an effective method to hit them where it hurts (their pockets) without creating casualties directly. The whole point of sanctions is to drive the enemies GDP down on purpose to "flex your arms". It does not matter whether the sanctioned goods are dangerous or not. Once again, the ultimate goal is to smother their GDP growth. And like all foreign pol…

> It's an effective method to hit them where it hurts (their pockets) without creating casualties directly. That's not always the case. The sanctions against Iraq, put in place around 1991 (after Gulf War 1), lead to the deaths of 1000s upon 1000s of children, as hospitals couldn't acquire critical supplies like incubators.

Reliable source for that claim?

I'll be very surprised if the sanctions blocked hospitals from purchasing medical supplies. If anything, I'd suspect the problem was poverty.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by tareqak »

user982 wrote: post #104
tareqak wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are and were different groups of people who existed there and considered that land their homeland.

"Do you have a flag?" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEx5G-GOS1k

Exactly: arbitrary rules backed by a significant advantage in the use of force.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by rgbrenner »

tempguy095432 wrote: post #98
free652 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were breaking UN sanctions when they were in place.

UN sanctions were only on nuclear weapon related items. They were breaking US led (EU accepted those as well) sanctions on banking. It's says so in the new report above. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran although wikipedia, it clearly states UN had no banking restrictions over iran from 2006.

It does have banking restrictions on nuclear weapon related items. Computer equipment is dual use, and can be used to further nuclear weapons research and test nuclear weapon designs. In fact, it's a critical part in developing modern nuclear weapons.

And of course the US has laws to enforce the sanctions they agreed (and China agreed) to implement under the UN resolutions.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by ZainRiz »

syntaxing wrote: post #74

Warranted or not, sanctions can be seen as one step before war. It's an effective method to hit them where it hurts (their pockets) without creating casualties directly. The whole point of sanctions is to drive the enemies GDP down on purpose to "flex your arms". It does not matter whether the sanctioned goods are dangerous or not. Once again, the ultimate goal is to smother their GDP growth. And like all foreign pol…

Would you expect China to arrest you on Chinese soil if you did something in the US that was illegal in China?

If China creates a law that says "no one in the world may drive faster than 40 mph" and you, an American citizen, fly to China, can China arrest you for driving 60 mph in the USA?

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