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New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by free652 »

gcbw2 wrote: post #88
rgbrenner wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Important point, these were UN sanctions that Huawei was violating. That means China also agreed to them.. and not in some minor vote... they are a permanent member of the UN Security Council, and therefore have a veto they could have used to reject it entirely... and they don't need anyones permission to use their veto. So it's safe to say China also agreed to sanction Iran, which they failed to do.

Doesn't to appear to be a U.N. sanction, maybe it is indeed "only" a US sanction. the last UN resolution lifts all sanctions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolut... > United Nations Security Council Resolution 2231 - Passed 20 July 2015. Endorsed the Iran Nuclear Deal and lifted all previous sanctions on Iran provided that Iran remains in compliance with its responsibilities in the nuclear de…

There were breaking UN sanctions when they were in place.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by sacheendra »

EpicEng wrote: post #90
boomboomsubban wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The US has laws and I expect our justice department to arrest those who break our laws regardless of their nationality if they step into our country (or allies). Do you expect every citizen of a town to be punished because the store ownet broke the law then? As that's the equivalent of sanctions. >The WTO submitted a report last year about the efficacy of sanctions (and it happens to be on Iran) for those curious Th…

So what's your suggestion? Country X won't play nice, what do you do? given your moral stance on sanctions I can't imagine you would propose war. So what are the options? What tools do we have available to us to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons and persuade bad actors? The world isn't some idyllic place where there's always a solution to every problem which harms no one. Yes, the citizenry often gets caught…

Given the ineffectiveness of sanctions, why is doing nothing not an option? Doing something just for the sake of doing it is bad foreign policy and weakens soft power. Even as it benefits people who propose the action so as to appear to be doing something.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by briandear »

simplecomplex wrote: post #4

Can someone explain how the world is a better place by outlawing business with Iran? Remember, the crime here is selling telecom equipment...

If you don’t understand the role of Iran in funding terror groups such as Hezbollah or their long, long history of terror support, notwithstanding their overt threats to “push Israel into the sea,” then explaining how it isn’t just about “selling telecom equipment” isn’t worth the time it would take.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by vkou »

EpicEng wrote: post #90
boomboomsubban wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The US has laws and I expect our justice department to arrest those who break our laws regardless of their nationality if they step into our country (or allies). Do you expect every citizen of a town to be punished because the store ownet broke the law then? As that's the equivalent of sanctions. >The WTO submitted a report last year about the efficacy of sanctions (and it happens to be on Iran) for those curious Th…

So what's your suggestion? Country X won't play nice, what do you do? given your moral stance on sanctions I can't imagine you would propose war. So what are the options? What tools do we have available to us to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons and persuade bad actors? The world isn't some idyllic place where there's always a solution to every problem which harms no one. Yes, the citizenry often gets caught…

> What tools do we have available to us to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons and persuade bad actors?

Why would a country sitting on the largest nuclear stockpile in the world consider nuclear proliferation a bad thing?

After all, I am frequently told that MAD prevents wars, no?

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by rgbrenner »

gcbw2 wrote: post #88
rgbrenner wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Important point, these were UN sanctions that Huawei was violating. That means China also agreed to them.. and not in some minor vote... they are a permanent member of the UN Security Council, and therefore have a veto they could have used to reject it entirely... and they don't need anyones permission to use their veto. So it's safe to say China also agreed to sanction Iran, which they failed to do.

Doesn't to appear to be a U.N. sanction, maybe it is indeed "only" a US sanction. the last UN resolution lifts all sanctions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolut... > United Nations Security Council Resolution 2231 - Passed 20 July 2015. Endorsed the Iran Nuclear Deal and lifted all previous sanctions on Iran provided that Iran remains in compliance with its responsibilities in the nuclear de…

That occurred years after Hauwei and Meng's actions. You're referencing future events.

Since you already have the list, go back and click on each of the sanctions the UN passed before then.. and you'll see China voted in favor.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by briandear »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #59
rgbrenner wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal of the sanctions is to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The sanctions cause economic harm, forcing Iran to the negotiating table. It's not anyone's goal to overthrow Iran. No one want to clean up the mess. There are already enough messes in that region already (afghanistan, iraq, syria, yemen).

But we already had a deal with Iran on weapons. A deal that they were honoring, which we reneged on.

Any proof they were honoring it?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/01/opinion/tehran-nuclear-sa...

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by tareqak »

gpm wrote: post #61
Udik wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The deal was negotiated and signed by US, Russia, China, France, UK, Germany, EU; and it is based on the "IAEA safeguards", a system of inspection and verification of the peaceful uses of nuclear materials as part of the NPT. To suggest that all the major world powers would have signed a deal that leaves space for Iran to develop nuclear weapons, and that the IAEA might have been happily certifying the compliance to…

> we have reports and information that proves that the claims are not true I don't this is an accurate summary, rather it says > we don't have reports and information that proves Iran is continuing to develop weapons. And why would they? They aren't a spy agency, they are a monitoring agency. Assuming for the sake of argument that Iran was actively developing nuclear weapons they would have had to fuck up for the IAE…

The United States also ignored the results of the IAEA's nuclear weapon investigation in Iraq, and invaded them anyway [0]. The United States never found any nuclear weapons, and sentiment of the appropriate subject matter experts today still remains that there were never any nuclear weapons.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War#Pre-war_events

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by tempguy095432 »

free652 wrote: post #91
gcbw2 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't to appear to be a U.N. sanction, maybe it is indeed "only" a US sanction. the last UN resolution lifts all sanctions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolut... > United Nations Security Council Resolution 2231 - Passed 20 July 2015. Endorsed the Iran Nuclear Deal and lifted all previous sanctions on Iran provided that Iran remains in compliance with its responsibilities in the nuclear de…

There were breaking UN sanctions when they were in place.

UN sanctions were only on nuclear weapon related items. They were breaking US led (EU accepted those as well) sanctions on banking.

It's says so in the new report above. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran although wikipedia, it clearly states UN had no banking restrictions over iran from 2006.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by tareqak »

ars wrote: post #84
malvosenior wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many, many people would see the forced formation of a new country over the top of an existing country, against their will, as objectively wrong.

> over the top of an existing country There was no existing country, it was British territory, and Ottoman, and others. The last time the place was an independent country it was part of the ancient Kingdom of Israel, around 2,200 years ago. And now it's an independent Israel again. Same place, same people, same name, same capital. Different laws and government though.

There are and were different groups of people who existed there and considered that land their homeland.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by tempguy095432 »

rgbrenner wrote: post #83
shittyadmin wrote: post #25

What a joke, if companies in unrelated countries don't want to play by sanctions, I see no reason to hold it against them. Unrelated states should have no power over this. The amount of hate Huawei gets just for this from otherwise reasonable people is rather excessive.

These were UN sanctions passed by the UN Security Council. China is a permanent member of the SC and has the ability to unilaterally veto any action. They voted in favor of the sanctions that Huawei violated. So Huawei violated Chinese law and US law (by involving US companies)... it's just that the Chinese don't care to enforce the sanctions they agreed to.

These were not UN sanctions. If you read the report it clearly says these were regulations placed by Washington.

UN had no banking restrictions on Iran if the activity was unrelated to nuclear proliferation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran

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