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A Guide for Adults Going to College

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I have a pessimistic view of all this. If you are able to get into a college program easily, the job market will be shit once you get out. If the job market would be great, you'll never get into a program.

Colleges have stupid games based on a point system to get in. The games are HEAVILY biased towards people just out of high school. You only get points for shit like having taken classes at the school before or your parents being alumni. Having real world working experience doesn't give you any points.

My wife was thinking about going to nursing school. In order for her to do that she would need to quit her job take random classes for the _chance_ to eventually get into a program. We're ready to pay cash for the program which she would certainly succeed in, but there is just no chance. Was a real bummer once we realized this.

I guess this all makes sense, just frustrating.

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Interesting. Do you mind telling us what made you choose nursing over tech?

Everybody at my old company was laid after 50, flexible hours: full-time, part-time, on-call, and working 40 hours a week in a cubicle gets really old.

>flexible hours: full-time, part-time, on-call, and working 40 hours a week in a cubicle gets really old.

Counterpoints (if in the US):

Capitalism is a real thing. If you work in a hospital you will be pushed to the point where things are unsafe for the patient, and if something goes wrong, you will be blamed and lose your license. A culture exists where everyone tries to cover their ass.

If you work as a contractor (i.e. you work for a firm that sends you to different hospitals based on shortages), you will be the first person to be blamed.

Unlike in tech, seniority is the main way to get better salaries and benefits. You won't get too far by performing really well.

The attitudes and behavior of fellow coworkers (nurses and nurse assistants) would be considered quite unprofessional in a typical engineering workplace.

Depending on which unit you work, patients can be horrible. You'll get all kinds of attitudes. Psychopaths, etc.

If you stick to it, expect long term injuries:

https://www.npr.org/series/385540559/injured-nurses

"James Collins, a research manager in the NIOSH Division of Safety Research, says before studying back injuries among nursing employees, he focused on auto factory workers. His subjects were "93 percent men, heavily tattooed, macho workforce, Harley-Davidson rider type guys," he says. "And they were prohibited from lifting over 35 pounds through the course of their work."

Nursing employees in a typical hospital lift far heavier patients a dozen or more times every day.

"That was my biggest shock and surprise," Collins says. "And the big deal is, the injuries are so severe that for many people, they're career-ending.""

(Experience will vary with what type of nursing you work - some nursing is a lot milder - but pays less).

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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I'm a returning student about to complete my degree at the end of this year. I went to an art school for a few years out of high school and ended up in customer service positions with some great companies. I didn't want to continue in customer service, so I decided to go back to school. Started with two years at community college, and now finishing up my last two at university. Some insights I picked up along the way…

I started college for the first time at 35 years old, and finished earlier this year after getting a BS CS, BS EE, and MS ECE. After 3 semesters at a community college, I transferred to a competitive engineering school (UIUC). My experience was very different from yours. Community college had a few great professors, but most were not good. They did not have high expectations for students, and it showed in the way tha…

Thank you for sharing this. A couple of questions:

1. Curious as to which sub-field you're currently working in 2. What was the impetus for you to make the decision to quit work full time and study again full-time? 3. When you say that you've not met anyone in your subfield that doesn't have a degree, how sure are you? I'd like to imagine that there are at least one or two that started school but didn't finish

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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> there should be 4 semesters a year, not 2, people should graduate in 2 years, not 4+ Could you provide some more details about the community college curriculum you are talking about? To my knowledge, the local community colleges offer what is essentially the first two years of a university education, with a reduced emphasis on your actual major. > each day forward is increasingly difficult to stomach since I realiz…

You're correct -- community college courses were "core" or "foundation" prior to the major. What I was attempting to suggest is 16-week semesters are too long (CC and Uni) and feel unnecessarily long for most subjects.

Most of the UCs in California (i think all except UC Berkeley) are on the quarter system (10 week quarters) 3 during the normal school year, and then an optional summer quarter.

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What are the chances of attending Harvard / Stanford later in life? I have a life goal of going there but the older I get (24 now), the less I believe it can form into a reality.

Undergraduate or graduate? I began my Stanford PhD as a 27 year old, after spending a number of years in the workforce. It's not at all unusual for grad students to be in their mid to late twenties.

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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I've been curious if there are any creative financial or work/education balance strategies for a tech professional going back to school, that might not be obvious?

Networking with professors? Working at the university? Or finding an employer that subsidizes grad school? Haven't seen too much on my radar in this area but have heard there are unconventional ways to offset the cost or level up by leveraging my network & career.

(For context - I'm in my late 30's, ~17 years in tech though my degree is from a trade art school, and in an engineering management role these days in Los Angeles. I've been seriously considering grad school either for CS or MBA.)

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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What are the chances of attending Harvard / Stanford later in life? I have a life goal of going there but the older I get (24 now), the less I believe it can form into a reality.

Attending Harvard is actually quite easy. They offer classes, both online and onsite, for anyone who is willing to pay tuition.

These classes are offered under a program called "Harvard Extension School", and they are the same exact classes that students who got accepted the "normal" way, take.

It even gets you a degree.

If what you care about is the education and resources offered by Harvard, they are available for the taking, and they are the same exact classes offered to "regular" students.

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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I'm a returning student about to complete my degree at the end of this year. I went to an art school for a few years out of high school and ended up in customer service positions with some great companies. I didn't want to continue in customer service, so I decided to go back to school. Started with two years at community college, and now finishing up my last two at university. Some insights I picked up along the way…

I did my first few years of college at a community college and my experience was that the college had to be very strict about attendance and dropping students who didn't show up. Frankly a lot of them were stoners who were only in school because their parents would cut off support if they dropped out.

The professors were underpaid and many of them didn't care -- some did care and were excellent teachers, but a lot of them were bitter about their career outcomes and just went through the motions. My best professors were the ones who had careers outside of the community college and taught part time, including a tenured professor at Stanford and a professional archeologist.

Honestly it's hard for me to recommend community college to people who are driven and dedicated to their educations, because so many of the other people in those institutions are not like that.

If I could go back in time I would gladly borrow an extra $20k to go to a university from the beginning. Over the time scale of a lifetime, or even just a decade, that's not a lot of money.

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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"It's never too late"

Well I would agree, but since the UK adopted the US model of university funding, it's too late, and has been for some time.

I'd love to career change into something different. £27k of tuition fees and three years not earning makes it a £150k+ proposition. No matter how bored I've become with tech after 30 years that's a big ask. Open University charges the same fees now or that would have been an easy and obvious route. Just as it was for my aunt who did a OU degree in her seventies "for fun". From what I hear from the kids university isn't as appealing either as they've become ever more commercial.

Friends who are in lower paying careers are even more stuck. The push to get 50% of the population with a degree means even the most lowly jobs and careers often now require a degree.

I guess when I become too much the curmudgeonly old git I'll take early retirement and do some part time gardening, handyman or some such. Shame for the govt about the tax I won't be paying. :)

Re: A Guide for Adults Going to College

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

- there should be 4 semesters a year, not 2, people should graduate in 2 years, not 4+ At the onset of this journey, I was enthusiastic to learn, but along the way I've been beat down to just wanting to get "the piece of paper" and be done. It's been a long three years and each day forward is increasingly difficult to stomach since I realized I can learn all of what is being taught to me faster on my own. The fact th…

> The fact that it’s a 4-year slog is one of the factors that make university degree holders earn premium in the labor marketplace Aren't you on holiday for a lot of those 4 years? I went to uni for 4 years, and it was 3 terms of 8 weeks each, per year. In other words, 96 weeks. Throw in the occasional rest week and it should really fit in two years.

What part of the world is that? In the US it's typical to have 2 16-18 week semesters per year, usually with a job or internship for 10-12 weeks in the summer.
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