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New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by koube »

gpm wrote: post #8
simplecomplex wrote: post #4

Can someone explain how the world is a better place by outlawing business with Iran? Remember, the crime here is selling telecom equipment...

The world is a better [0] place if less people have nuclear weapons. "Outlawing business" (i.e. sanctions) are being used to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. Thus it improves the world [1]. [0] Better is somewhat subjective I suppose, but I think we can pretty objectively say "more likely to hold a human civilization 100 years from now". [1] It also undoubtedly makes the world worse in other ways, whether…

There's an easier way to do it that required no effort on the part of the current administration, which is to just not cancel the Iran deal.

> By torpedoing U.S. adherence to the accord, Trump has all but guaranteed its collapse, a move that opens the door to the unfettered resumption of Iran’s nuclear program and unleashes unpredictable escalatory pressures in an already volatile Middle East.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2018/05/08/a...

> Although the deal didn’t address every concern, it was successfully preventing Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. Trump has instead opted for an uncertain future, raising the risks of an Iranian bomb and a U.S-Iranian conflict.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/trumps-iran-dea...

> The United States is left without good options moving forward. It is hard to see how this decision serves U.S. interests or regional stability.

https://www.rand.org/blog/2018/05/the-strategic-fallout-of-u...

In addition I believe there are long term costs for a country to be violating agreements for no discernible benefit.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by lowry »

duaoebg wrote: post #6
simplecomplex wrote: post #4

Can someone explain how the world is a better place by outlawing business with Iran? Remember, the crime here is selling telecom equipment...

Iran and Isreal don’t get along

So why not punish Israel as well?

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

#13

Post by rgbrenner »

koube wrote: post #11
gpm wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world is a better [0] place if less people have nuclear weapons. "Outlawing business" (i.e. sanctions) are being used to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. Thus it improves the world [1]. [0] Better is somewhat subjective I suppose, but I think we can pretty objectively say "more likely to hold a human civilization 100 years from now". [1] It also undoubtedly makes the world worse in other ways, whether…

There's an easier way to do it that required no effort on the part of the current administration, which is to just not cancel the Iran deal. > By torpedoing U.S. adherence to the accord, Trump has all but guaranteed its collapse, a move that opens the door to the unfettered resumption of Iran’s nuclear program and unleashes unpredictable escalatory pressures in an already volatile Middle East. https://www.brookings.e…

The deal with Iran is not relevant.. since Huewai's and Meng's actions are from 5+ years ago, when Iran was subject to UN approved sanctions.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by duaoebg »

austinheap wrote: post #9
simplecomplex wrote: post #4

Can someone explain how the world is a better place by outlawing business with Iran? Remember, the crime here is selling telecom equipment...

The goal of most sanctions, from a diplomatic perspective, is to place enormous financial pressure on an economy so that the population revolts agains the government in question. It's believed that when the "price of onions" becomes too high for a society to tolerate, revolution occurs. I'm not saying the world is/isn't a better place, just explaining the common beltway logic re: Iran sanctions.

Sanctions often have the reverse effect by entrenching state power and creating a outside force upon which to blame the problems. I.e. these onions cost a fortune because of the evil Americans.

Also the US does not have a great track record with inciting revolutions in Iran.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by make3 »

simplecomplex wrote: post #4

Can someone explain how the world is a better place by outlawing business with Iran? Remember, the crime here is selling telecom equipment...

the goal of sanctions is to place strong pressure on a country that does something we're strongly opposed to (ie try to build nuclear weapons) without having to have a military intervention

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

#16

Post by austinheap »

koube wrote: post #11
gpm wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The world is a better [0] place if less people have nuclear weapons. "Outlawing business" (i.e. sanctions) are being used to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons. Thus it improves the world [1]. [0] Better is somewhat subjective I suppose, but I think we can pretty objectively say "more likely to hold a human civilization 100 years from now". [1] It also undoubtedly makes the world worse in other ways, whether…

There's an easier way to do it that required no effort on the part of the current administration, which is to just not cancel the Iran deal. > By torpedoing U.S. adherence to the accord, Trump has all but guaranteed its collapse, a move that opens the door to the unfettered resumption of Iran’s nuclear program and unleashes unpredictable escalatory pressures in an already volatile Middle East. https://www.brookings.e…

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Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by hgq »

simplecomplex wrote: post #4

Can someone explain how the world is a better place by outlawing business with Iran? Remember, the crime here is selling telecom equipment...

Oh, what a silly gentile you are. It's better for all of us, and peace! We all want peace, we don't want killed babies and puppies. Don't question it.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by Udik »

austinheap wrote: post #9
simplecomplex wrote: post #4

Can someone explain how the world is a better place by outlawing business with Iran? Remember, the crime here is selling telecom equipment...

The goal of most sanctions, from a diplomatic perspective, is to place enormous financial pressure on an economy so that the population revolts agains the government in question. It's believed that when the "price of onions" becomes too high for a society to tolerate, revolution occurs. I'm not saying the world is/isn't a better place, just explaining the common beltway logic re: Iran sanctions.

> to place enormous financial pressure on an economy so that the population revolts agains the government in question

terrorism /ˈtɛrərɪzəm/ noun

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

#19

Post by mythrwy »

duaoebg wrote: post #14
austinheap wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal of most sanctions, from a diplomatic perspective, is to place enormous financial pressure on an economy so that the population revolts agains the government in question. It's believed that when the "price of onions" becomes too high for a society to tolerate, revolution occurs. I'm not saying the world is/isn't a better place, just explaining the common beltway logic re: Iran sanctions.

Sanctions often have the reverse effect by entrenching state power and creating a outside force upon which to blame the problems. I.e. these onions cost a fortune because of the evil Americans. Also the US does not have a great track record with inciting revolutions in Iran.

Actually the US has a stellar track record of inciting revolutions in Iran.

(just not intentionally)

Re: New documents link Huawei to suspected front companies in Iran, Syria

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Post by koube »

rgbrenner wrote: post #13
koube wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's an easier way to do it that required no effort on the part of the current administration, which is to just not cancel the Iran deal. > By torpedoing U.S. adherence to the accord, Trump has all but guaranteed its collapse, a move that opens the door to the unfettered resumption of Iran’s nuclear program and unleashes unpredictable escalatory pressures in an already volatile Middle East. https://www.brookings.e…

The deal with Iran is not relevant.. since Huewai's and Meng's actions are from 5+ years ago, when Iran was subject to UN approved sanctions.

You're correct, although I would say the Iran deal is still relevant to Iran sanctions in the general sense.
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