Why should California tax payers provide health insurance to illegal immigrants?
Quite a lot of the undocumented immigrants in California are themselves California tax payers.
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if so, why should any patient pay the bill to the hospital?
Because as a society we know it’s cheaper to treat early and often rather than deal with emergencies 80% of the time. Also, I agree with you, but likely from a different place. No individual should be paying a hospital bill, it should be included in a tax on my income. If I have lots of income I pay for lots of people, maybe an astounding amount, if I have little to no income I depend on my wealthy neighbors to cover…
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#43Why should California tax payers provide health insurance to illegal immigrants?
100% agreed. By far the stupidest platform of the left. If illegals hear this, then more and more of them will come to California from other countries and especially other states. We pay $10k a year per illegal kid already which has deeply burdened our schools. We currently already pay for illegal kids healthcare completely because they are covered under medi-cal and we have emergency health care for those who urgently need it covered. We also fund clinics for illegals. I think that is more than fair and I do agree with this, but the new proposals go way too far.
That money could be spent on infrastructure, climate change, less of a tax burden, elimination of regressive taxes, more subsidized housing etc. The most disgusting thing about this is my cousin is disabled and I went with his family to an informational hearing and almost every disabled person there was borderline homeless. Living in their cars, sharing 1 room with 3 people etc. because the state only gives $700 a month if you were born disabled. All the low income houses are taken, so it’s make it on your own. I did more digging and found organizations in SF that help illegals get free housing and they do this if their kids are citizens. Since citizen kids are a priority, organizations help their families get a house and they stay there for 18 years. My disabled cousin whose parents have likely paid over a million in taxes gets left out in the cold while these people get this. He at least has family support, what about all the disabled and poor seniors who have no voice, no platform, no ability to fight for themselves. This is the one topic where I lose nuance and my blood boils. I greatly disagree with illegal immigration and especially providing benefits over the current medical for emergencies and for kids under 18.
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Does helping individuals with their healthcare improve society? Presumably any advocate of government healthcare programs would say that it does. If it does, then why would the legal status of each individual affect the societal improvement?
You can look at developed countries that do provide healthcare to individuals, who across the board have lower murder rates and violent crime than the US. It's easy to answer your question, just look outside your own borders.
I believe the grandparent asked those questions rhetorically.
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Does helping individuals with their healthcare improve society? Presumably any advocate of government healthcare programs would say that it does. If it does, then why would the legal status of each individual affect the societal improvement?
You can look at developed countries that do provide healthcare to individuals, who across the board have lower murder rates and violent crime than the US. It's easy to answer your question, just look outside your own borders.
How do you know that's causal or even correlated in a meaningful way?
As it happens, pool drownings correlate with Nic Cage film releases - https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1082063513961533440
Re: Gov. Gavin Newsom proposes healthcare mandate, Medi-Cal expansion
#46Why should California tax payers provide health insurance to illegal immigrants?
100% agreed. By far the stupidest platform of the left. If illegals hear this, then more and more of them will come to California from other countries and especially other states. We pay $10k a year per illegal kid already which has deeply burdened our schools. We currently already pay for illegal kids healthcare completely because they are covered under medi-cal and we have emergency health care for those who urgent…
There's an awful lot of anec-data and not much actual fact here. The people who deal with the problems mostly think this plan is a good idea. Perhaps you should think about why that is rather than bringing your own personal issues and biases into this discussion.
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#47Why should California tax payers provide health insurance to illegal immigrants?
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because health care is a human right.
not on my credit it's not.
i probably don't agree with GP, but the credit you have is in no small part due to the cheap cost of food and services that illegal immigrants provide. if you had to pay the full cost of legal labor for those products and services, you'd have much less "credit" to show for it.
you may even say you would rather have it that way. but that's not the world we live in.
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how many citizens and legal migrants do you know are going to work in backbreaking conditions picking the food you eat for minimum wage? Cheap robots haven't caught up yet to pick and grow everything we need. Also note that not everyone can pay whole food prices
Please get out of California, especially SV, and go to mid-US, there are so many US citizens can't afford daily food.
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Because it's the compassionate thing to do? Also because it's much cheaper.
It would be compassionate of these illegal immigrants to improve their own countries instead of using resources in the next country. Another way to resolve the cost might be to fine companies that hire illegal immigrants or to send bills / decrease funding (although I don't think CA sends any funding overseas) to countries that have illegal immigrants here.
Yes, lets fault the shoeless refugees with kids for not single-handedly fixing the complex problems in their countries, some of which are caused by US Government actions going back over 40 years. That sounds like a winning solution.
Or maybe California is dealing with their domestic problems as best they can, and the Federal government should start helping Central America rather than starting pointless trade wars.