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Apple’s Errors

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Re: Apple’s Errors

#41
Armchair quarterbacking here, but the current iPhone lineup is confusing.

It’s a tired trope to imagine what Jobs would have done, but when he returned to Apple he saw a myriad of macs and decided that Apple would kill them all and sell 4: a laptop and a desktop in pro and consumer models.

Apple started grabbing more market share by providing all these different form factors, but in the process they’ve lost the simplicity that has always been their hallmark: walk into a store, pick the pro device or the consumer device. No choice paralysis.

It also muddles the consumer signaling that has always driven Apple — there’s a new high-end device, it’s obviously different than last year’s, and people know you bought the newest, hottest device.

Part of that is a mature market. But part of it feels like the company of “a thousand no’s for every yes” is saying “yes” a lot.

Jobs talked often about creative destruction and how making great things involves being bold and killing some of your favorite things; that seems to have been replaced with a certain amount of timidity.

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post #15

It's amazing that how everyone but Apple knows how to run their business.

My belief is that Tim Cook's has been running Apple based mostly on inertia from Steve Jobs. As long as things worked mostly the same way, then not much needed to be changed to the formula. It's "easy" to increase revenues, when you benefit from the previous popularity of iPhones, a lot of previous revenue, and most of what you need to do involves launching the iPhone in new countries. Actually, BlackBerry benefited from a lot of these factors, too, when its revenue kept growing outside of North America, despite losing market share rapidly to the iPhone in the US.

But now that things are getting more different, such as prices becoming much higher, a possible economic downturn around the corner, mid-range phones becoming "good enough" for most people, the loss of subsidies from carriers, and so on, Tim Cook is getting a little "lost" in all of this, and doesn't know the best way forward. Worse, he may have already chosen a way forward (Apple becoming more "fashion-focus" for instance) and it may be the wrong way.

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post #3

> Apple seems to have underestimated iPhone SE demand to a significant degree I would love to purchase a new iPhone (or Android) if they were to make a new device with a comparable form factor to the SE. Instead, everything has progressed to these two-handed monstrosities that have resulted in fanny packs [1] becoming fashionable again simply to hold the damn things. [1] https://www.today.com/style/fanny-packs-are-so…

I would love to purchase a new iPhone (or Android) if they were to make a new device with a comparable form factor to the SE.

I am in complete agreement with your attitude. However, it looks like the SE isn't coming back, and I wanted an Apple Watch anyway (after wearing smartwatches since the first Pebble...or SPOT if that counts). So I gave in, bought an iPhone XS and a watch. Previous smartwatch usage told me that the phone could probably remain safely in the bag most of the day. An Apple Watch makes it stay in that bag even more, I found out. If I'm out and about without the messenger bag/man purse, the cellular keeps me in contact. So for me, at least, carrying the monstrosity is reasonably solved.

Every use case is different, so this might not be a solution for everyone. And, yes, it is ridiculous that the solution is "go spend more money" because there isn't a reasonably-sized phone available. OTOH, most of my phone looking is "who's calling? What does the wife want on SMS? What's that reminder?" which is easily taken care of on the watch. When I do need a bigger screen, it's nice to have...well, a bigger bigger screen. :-)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know two people who said they won’t buy another phone until the day their SE won’t turn on. I agree, SE form factor solves a great problem for some people. Not everyone wants a big screen! Apple either isn’t making enough money on the SE, not listening to their survey group, or an executive doesn’t care. They need to fix this.

Does anyone really think Apple hasn’t done market research to determine which size phone would be best for them to sell? As mentioned in one of the other comments, SE was using the production lines of the 5/5s. It probably isn’t worth it to keep those going for an older phone and the R&D for a new smaller phone is a huge cost. I’m sure it’s been proven that most people want larger screens at this point. I mean, even…

Apple clearly didn't think bigger form factors made sense for a while, until Samsung proved them terribly wrong.

I do agree that in this case their market research about the SE is probably solid, but I think it's a mistake to assume that their market research is always correct.

Re: Apple’s Errors

#45
Ben, in his article:

> Secondly, thanks in part to the lack of information, this miss is catnip for confirmation bias: everyone has their pet theory about what Apple is doing wrong or how they will ultimately fail, and it has been striking the degree to which this revenue warning has been breezily adapted to show that said critics were right all along (never mind that many of those critics trotted out the exact same explanations in 2013 and 2016).

HN, in its comments on Ben's article:

- Apple downgraded its forecast because it needs to refresh the iPhone SE

- Apple downgraded its forecast because its phone prices are too damn high

- Apple downgraded its forecast because its phone lineup is too confusing

- Apple downgraded its forecast because iOS 12 has improved performance and postponed upgrades for another year

These confirmed biases all have a "developed market" vibe. I believe they're also meaningless in the context of last year's iPhone X launch. Apple killed their estimates last year. Everyone is forgetting this!

None of these theories address Ben's point about the lack of smartphone differentiation in China (arguably Apple's most important market), which is (IMO) a more interesting discussion and a stronger headwind to Apple's financial prospects.

I agree with Ben that the "S" designation is probably hurting the company, as it introduces 8-quarter "seasonality" into their financial projections because Chinese consumers are only buying heavily-differentiated form factors.

I disagree that consumers will always buy the flagship iOS device. Then again, this earnings report just confirms my own bias for phone pricing. :)

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#47

Didn't Apple move to a 3 year S cycle? Like iPhone 6, then iPhone 6s, then iPhone 7 all being the same phone and then introducing a new design with the X. So with this past year being the XS, this year will be the whatever XS 2 is, but with the same design, then we can expect a new design next year. Meaning that their China not upgrading problem, as per the article, will continue for at least another year.

In that case you can argue the 8 is also the same as the 6. It's not.

Re: Apple’s Errors

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post #3

> Apple seems to have underestimated iPhone SE demand to a significant degree I would love to purchase a new iPhone (or Android) if they were to make a new device with a comparable form factor to the SE. Instead, everything has progressed to these two-handed monstrosities that have resulted in fanny packs [1] becoming fashionable again simply to hold the damn things. [1] https://www.today.com/style/fanny-packs-are-so…

I have regular pixel 2. It doesn't need 2 hands.

Re: Apple’s Errors

#49
post #3

> Apple seems to have underestimated iPhone SE demand to a significant degree I would love to purchase a new iPhone (or Android) if they were to make a new device with a comparable form factor to the SE. Instead, everything has progressed to these two-handed monstrosities that have resulted in fanny packs [1] becoming fashionable again simply to hold the damn things. [1] https://www.today.com/style/fanny-packs-are-so…

I have had wrist pains ever since getting the 6 back in 2016. Now that I'm on the X, it's gotten worse. I fucking hate these larger phones. They cause significant pain for me, and I don't even have tiny hands.

Re: Apple’s Errors

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post #42
post #15

It's amazing that how everyone but Apple knows how to run their business.

My belief is that Tim Cook's has been running Apple based mostly on inertia from Steve Jobs. As long as things worked mostly the same way, then not much needed to be changed to the formula. It's "easy" to increase revenues, when you benefit from the previous popularity of iPhones, a lot of previous revenue, and most of what you need to do involves launching the iPhone in new countries . Actually, BlackBerry benefited…

This was probably a good time for Apple to broaden their mac range, and expand their computer market share. Under the Steve Jobs era, the Mac was always a premium product, and focused on capturing industry profits rather than market share. I think switching to focusing on market share would have been a very good change for them to make.

As a high end product, the mac is likely not gonna make them much more profits than it already does. However, additional market share would further strengthen their customer base for the areas which will make them money. iPhones, iPads, and services.

If Apple were to release a 5-600$ laptop it likely wouldn't make them much money, but it would create more mac users, and I suspect mac users are significantly more likely to own iPhones and pay for services like iCloud and Apple Music than Windows and Linux users.

And TBH, Apple has a massive market in the enterprise just waiting for some competition. You can see this in the rapid and popular uptake of Google @ Work services, and Chrome OS in the enterprise and education services. People were looking for a simpler alternative to the entire MS Exchange ecosystem, and once again, while these may not have been massive money spinners on their own (though they definitely could have been that as well), they would form a strong solid base to sell iPhones to.

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