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Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by omegaworks »

uncoder0 wrote: post #36
skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

We really need to address the absolute cost of healthcare in this country before we can make any progress on nationalizing any portion of it. The pure costs are outrageous. We spend ~$10,000 per capita in 2017 vs ~$6,000 in Norway which has a similar per capita GDP. (PPP adjusted https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-... )

Absolutely, and that's one of the rationales for incentive changes enacted under ACA. Before ACA, health systems were incentivized fee-for-service, not outcomes based. Under ACA we shifted to try to offer Americans options for preventative care, to avoid the extreme costs of emergency services. According to the same site[1] cost growth has come down as more people take advantage of their coverage.

1. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/u-s-spe...

Things like cost controls and universal coverage are synergistic. People with coverage will seek earlier, cheaper remedies over waiting to the last minute expensive emergency care.

Republicans and conservative Democrats have allied to sabotage the ability for universal service to control cost. From the abandonment of the Public Option in the ACA marketplace, to disallowing Medicare Part D from negotiating with drug manufacturers for lower prices. We've been effectively hamstrung, but that means there's plenty of low-hanging fruit.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by josefresco »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #59
lkrubner wrote: post #14

A truly incredible statistic: “ 40% of women younger than 30 would like to leave the U.S. ” That says a lot about the extent to which Trump has alienated young women.

40% is just ridiculous. As we've seen in past US presidential elections, the vast majority of Americans who claim they want to move out of the country will not actually do it. Moving to a major metropolitan area within the US that aligns with their values is much easier.

Probably true, but this Presidency and the corruption of the majority party is unprecedented.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by qbz »

zumu wrote: post #55
qbz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The truth is, I have met some people who wish they could leave to go somewhere more conservative. That sounds weird. Where are they going to move to? There are only a few select places in the world with freedom of speech, which seems like a very necessary value to be a conservative in the current times.

My first thought was Asia.

What country exactly? I heard Japan has free speech.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by abootstrapper »

bborud wrote: post #35
whatshisface wrote: post #15

I see that people are assuming that the ones who want to leave do so because they feel the government is insufficiently liberal. The truth is, I have met some people who wish they could leave to go somewhere more conservative. I think that everyone would want to leave the US if somewhere out there was a utopia that exactly implemented their political and social views. The main thing that tamps down that desire is the…

Anecdotal evidence isn't really all that interesting.

Gotta source on that? /s

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by gammateam »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #46

I don't want to leave the US. But I was in England on a business trip last fall, and I was talking to some people. They mentioned thinking about leave England (I think because of Brexit fallout). For the first time, I could not recommend that they come to the US.

A lot of people in developed nations dont find the US an attractive destination, based on things that wouldnt define their user experience at all (human rights, south side chicago violence)

The most closest analogy would be how Americans dont find China to be an attractive destination, for reasons they would never experience (human rights, poverty) or would most likely benefit from (credit scores)

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by packet_nerd »

ausbah wrote: post #13

% of people who will actually leave the US? I'd wager near 0.

I left, in my early 20s, mostly as a way to expand my horizons and escape the suffocating conservative religious environment I grew up in.

I recently came back to get a career in IT going, but will be moving again soon.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by skh »

maxerickson wrote: post #41
skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

Federal healthcare spending is much larger than military spending: https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/total_spending_... (from https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-bud... ) It's unfortunate the chart includes social security, which isn't quite tax and spend the way most of the rest of the federal budget is.

This would be the return on investment aspect of my comment. We spend massively more per capita on healthcare and yet not everyone is covered and it isn’t free at point of contact. It’s easy to design an inefficient system when the goal is not actually caring about the people.
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