Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S • Hacker News Board

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by maxerickson » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 5:07 PM UTC

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

Federal healthcare spending is much larger than military spending:

https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/total_spending_...

(from https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-bud... )

It's unfortunate the chart includes social security, which isn't quite tax and spend the way most of the rest of the federal budget is.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by woodrowbarlow » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 5:07 PM UTC

jedmeyers wrote: post #10

walrus01 wrote: post #3

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/se...

Wait. You don’t just walk across the border, you have to file an application and have it approved to live in Canada? Is this how a progressive nation should behave?

if you're not being sarcastic, what are you proposing? that progressive nations shouldn't even keep records of who is living there?

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by uncoder0 » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 5:07 PM UTC

sgjohnson wrote: post #34

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

Israel’s warfare system is far more advanced than the US. Paid for by the US taxpayer of course.

When is the last time Israel was able to project power thousands of miles from it's border for nearly two decades? They have cool toys no doubt but, not really compares to our arsenal in human history.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by cowpig » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 5:08 PM UTC

ausbah wrote: post #13

% of people who will actually leave the US? I'd wager near 0.

[citation needed]

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by the_watcher » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 5:08 PM UTC

maxerickson wrote: post #41

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

Federal healthcare spending is much larger than military spending: https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/total_spending_... (from https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-bud... ) It's unfortunate the chart includes social security, which isn't quite tax and spend the way most of the rest of the federal budget is.

To most people, Social Security is seen as a tax, since it comes out of your paycheck in the form of a "Social Security Tax".

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by AnimalMuppet » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

I don't want to leave the US. But I was in England on a business trip last fall, and I was talking to some people. They mentioned thinking about leave England (I think because of Brexit fallout). For the first time, I could not recommend that they come to the US.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by ergothus » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

While I agree with the general sentiment, I think this stresses an emphasis on taxes that isn't right. Do you think these people would still be unsatisfied if the tax rate was 0%? I do.

Dissatisfaction with the govt does not necessarily mean dissatisfaction with the return on the investment of taxes. I want kids to be educated, people to be healthy, and that desire doesn't change if my tax rate is 0% or 80%. Sure, there's a point at which I think that taxes aren't the answer, but the root desire is not about taxes, they are merely a means to an end.

Many of the libertarian-leaning folks here will have a very different view of the above, but I think that would be apples and oranges - they view govt as either inefficient or unjust, but the issues in this article are different, about effectiveness and functioning.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by endorphone » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

jedmeyers wrote: post #25

skh wrote: post #16

Ultimately this indicates that people aren’t satisfied with the returns on taxation. I’m all for supporting a government that supports the people. From my perspective we don’t have this and haven’t had it for some time. Other developed nations have better infrastructure, better social support system, near free higher education, free at point of contact healthcare systems. What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced…

> What we get in the U.S. is the most advanced warfare system ever. You get this in Canada as well, they just don’t pay for it - US taxpayers do.

In WWII Canada had the world's fourth largest air force, fifth largest navy. Canada was involved in WWII more than two years before the United States joined.

You keep the military for the times, or at least most countries outside of the United States and its absolutely outrageous military spend does. If you think the US went to Iraq or Afghanistan or Vietnam for Canada (or countless exercises throughout the rest of the world, usually to prop up whatever the favored dictator was, and to promote US interests), or that Canada owes US taxpayers for that, you're profoundly mistaken (though Canada went heavily into Afghanistan for the United States, the single time NATO was actually invoked for defense).

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by malvosenior » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 5:10 PM UTC

cowpig wrote: post #44

ausbah wrote: post #13

% of people who will actually leave the US? I'd wager near 0.

[citation needed]

From the article:

> It's important to note that people's desire to migrate is typically much higher than their intention to do so -- as such, it is unlikely that Americans will be flocking to the Canadian border. In fact, since Trump's election, Canadian statistics show only a modest uptick in the number of Americans who have moved to Canada.

Re: Record Numbers of Americans Want to Leave the U.S

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Post by andrewmcwatters » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 5:10 PM UTC

Age 15-29: 30%

I don't really give a shit about 15 year olds and their perspective on the world considering they hardly live in it until about 10 years later. The biggest impacts on their lives are from their parents' circumstance or decision making.