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Re: Thank u, next

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Post by mrunkel » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 4:33 PM UTC

codezero wrote: post #54

gavingmiller wrote: post #31

> Why’d he quit? ... he told me this: at each stage of a company’s growth, they have different needs. Those needs generally require different skills. What he enjoyed, and what he had the skills to do, was to take a tiny company and make it medium sized. Once a company was at that stage of growth, he was less interested and less good at taking them from there. This is an aspect that gets overlooked in many businesses…

In my current role, I've seen the company go from 6 to 120 people, and it's absolutely true that there are some people that are really amazing at a 6 person company who can be extremely counter-productive in a company of even 30 or 40. Also, startups, since they are often run by people new at running companies, are often slow to respond to these kinds of folks. It's also rare that folks recognize this in themselves.…

Can you elaborate on what types of people you mean?

Re: Thank u, next

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Post by steveklabnik » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 4:34 PM UTC

artursapek wrote: post #75

steveklabnik wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla is actually the best-paying job I've ever had, if that tells you anything. And it was an okay salary. I've never been more financially secure. But I'd like some of that "easy SV money" :)

Why do you think Mozilla was paying you less than your peers?

Mozilla overall pays less than your FAANGs or unicorns. Mozilla is in a pretty unique position here, and so I think doing so makes sense.

Re: Thank u, next

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Post by coldtea » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

Perhaps it's time Rust (which in the meantime has been adopted from many teams, from Microsoft, to Dropbox, FB and more) to get some more independence, and have an independent structure and organization fund them.

If Mozilla doesn't play well with their core business, and actually innovate, and piss people off even in their side projects like Rust, they'll continue the race to irrelevancy in browsing market share and loose their search engine placement deals. It's not that difficult to go from hundreds of millions per year to nothing fast.

Re: Thank u, next

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Post by angersock » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

steveklabnik wrote: post #44

dao- wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why hint at it at all then? Without details it won't satisfy the curious nor help fix whatever problems there might be. As someone who still works for Mozilla out of conviction, this feels like an unnecessary low blow.

I tried to stick purely to facts. I don't want this to be taken as some sort of low blow. Maybe email me with some specifics that you think are bad and I can edit the post?

Why not just post "Hey, looking for new work!" instead of kinda waggling your eyebrows at Mozilla's mistreatment?

Re: Thank u, next

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Post by Yoric » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

codezero wrote: post #21

This is a bummer on many levels, but also personally, a bit of a relief. For a while I was considering going all-in to try to get a role at Mozilla. I really believe in their mission, and I drink the kool-aid when it comes to the browser market getting gobbled up. What held me back at the time were the company reviews. The culture sounds toxic, and the management sounds incompetent, and there's no force of change tha…

As a Mozilla employee, I find the culture pretty good. Certainly better than in any other place I've worked.

I imagine that some other teams may have a different experience.

Re: Thank u, next

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Post by chrisseaton » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 4:37 PM UTC

yanslookup wrote: post #26

This surprises me on so many different levels. To me, Rust is nearly the same thing as steveklabnik. Considering his level of engagement and enthusiasm I figured he was one of those people making easy SV money. Between this and Jess Frazelle (another household name) never getting a promotion shows how wrong this industry is.

> To me, Rust is nearly the same thing as steveklabnik.

I thought it was designed by Graydon Hoare?

Re: Thank u, next

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Post by YorkshireSeason » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 4:38 PM UTC

lmm wrote: post #74

nindalf wrote: post #6

I'm surprised and disappointed to learn that Mozilla didn't value Steve's work enough. The documentation, especially the book [1] which he authored, is the gold standard that every software project should aspire to. As someone who learned the language recently, it's possible that I might have abandoned it if the documentation and learning materials hadn't been so good. I also thought his work in evangelizing Rust on…

> I also thought his work in evangelizing Rust on HN, Reddit and a million other places was hugely important, and a big part of why there's a lot of positive buzz around the language. Yeah. As someone working in Scala I honestly think I'm in the right language technically, but I wish we had even half the community spirit that Rust does, and Klabnik is a huge part of that.

Agreed.

BTW, have you looked Scala/Rust interop? Both languages are ML-style languages, so they are close in spirit.

Re: Thank u, next

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Post by haggy » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 4:41 PM UTC

YorkshireSeason wrote: post #87

lmm wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also thought his work in evangelizing Rust on HN, Reddit and a million other places was hugely important, and a big part of why there's a lot of positive buzz around the language. Yeah. As someone working in Scala I honestly think I'm in the right language technically, but I wish we had even half the community spirit that Rust does, and Klabnik is a huge part of that.

Agreed. BTW, have you looked Scala/Rust interop? Both languages are ML-style languages, so they are close in spirit.

Im a Scala guy that knows very little about rust so excuse the ignorance but what would the benefits be with regards to scala/rust interop?

Re: Thank u, next

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Post by steveklabnik » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 4:41 PM UTC

raphlinus wrote: post #80

Thank you, Steve. You have personally done more to make the Rust community what it is today than possibly any other person. It speaks very poorly of Mozilla that they don't value your work. Perhaps 2019 is the time to start the Rust Foundation, as mentioned by boats and others[0]. If so, you'd clearly be one of the founders. I would put my name into the ring for that as well, as we're now in somewhat similar circumst…

I am really of two minds about a foundation. I've seen a few different variations of this idea, and they all have a lot of downsides, as well as upsides. It's not clear to me that it would be a win.

Re: Thank u, next

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Post by sp33der89 » Mon, Jan 07, 2019, 4:43 PM UTC

lmm wrote: post #74

nindalf wrote: post #6

I'm surprised and disappointed to learn that Mozilla didn't value Steve's work enough. The documentation, especially the book [1] which he authored, is the gold standard that every software project should aspire to. As someone who learned the language recently, it's possible that I might have abandoned it if the documentation and learning materials hadn't been so good. I also thought his work in evangelizing Rust on…

> I also thought his work in evangelizing Rust on HN, Reddit and a million other places was hugely important, and a big part of why there's a lot of positive buzz around the language. Yeah. As someone working in Scala I honestly think I'm in the right language technically, but I wish we had even half the community spirit that Rust does, and Klabnik is a huge part of that.

Really? I've found the community of Scala really nice and welcoming, always ready to answer my stupid questions, one of the nicest communities I've had the chance to be around. A lot of people are critical of Scala sure, mostly around tooling and the language isn't mentioned a lot in discussion forums, but I think nonetheless there is a great spirit to be found in the Scala community and great learning resources for functional programming. Atleast that is my experience.