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The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by zapzupnz »

internet2000 wrote: post #67
zozbot123 wrote: post #27

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> It's even more absurd seeing how many Android OEMs followed suit with the notch. Many Android OEMs let you hide it by painting the top bar black, though. It's even more ludicrous than that because Apple actually advertised the iPhone X by releasing a press photo where the notch was hidden due to showing a full-screen image with a mostly black background. Someone actually took Apple to court for deceptive advertisin…

Apple doesn’t let you set a black background?

They do, but that's only useful in the home screen.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by JKCalhoun »

lostlogin wrote: post #17
glitchc wrote: post #10

I bought the XS recently, but what I really wanted was the SE form factor with the XS internals (sans Face ID). Indeed, ignoring the SE market is Apple’s biggest flaw.

Do you want no Face ID or are you just happy to forgo it?

My problem with Face ID is how close I have to be to it to work — when sitting in its cradle on the dashboard, I can't face-unlock.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by mruniverse »

protomyth wrote: post #5

I cannot help but think that an iPhone XR mini would have been a great seller if it hit the $450 range. I just don't understand Apple these days, its like they have reverted to the early 90's where they kept jacking the price until even the loyal customers had to exit the ship. I had so believed they would repeat the iPod strategy and start at the top end and slowly squeeze the market by introducing models that fille…

The early 90's is right. They had that great GUI and plug-n-play to themselves for years, but still managed to almost go under.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by Xcelerate »

lostlogin wrote: post #13
throw0u1t wrote: post #8

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But I don't want an iPhone 7 or an 8. And it makes no sense that Apple sell both the 7 and the 8. Apple should make a phone like the SE which is made for the low-mid market, not just discount its old models.

I’d take a high spec small phone. This is apparently an unusual thing to want.

Same. Refusing to upgrade my SE because it's the perfect size. I had a coworker ask, "What is that thing?" which is humorous to say the least.

Re: The Phone That’s Failing Apple: iPhone XR

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Post by zapzupnz »

slondr wrote: post #3

Everyone I know who owns an iPhone XR only got it because they're in some upgrade plan that gives them a new phone every year or two. Nobody actually wants it. There's die-hards who needs the XS because it's the latest and greatest, while those who want something a little cheaper are buying an 8 Plus or original X. I really feel like the XR is a repeat of the original iPhone 7 in that it's a phone with no target audi…

> Everyone I know

In the grand scheme of things, and in the overall market, everyone you know still comes out to a rounding error. Don't get too caught up in anecdata.

> I really feel like the XR is a repeat of the original iPhone 7 in that it's a phone with no target audience

You're right, there. If people want a high-end iPhone, they'd get the XS. If they want a cheaper phone in the X form factor, they'd get an X. If they don't want the X form factor yet, they'd get an 8. The XR is just… there.

And yet, it's a great phone by itself. Same processor as the XS, meaning a great performance leap over the X, not to mention a vastly improved camera. But it's hard to think of it as premium when it's lacking the OLED screen and Force Touch. It feels so incomplete, like an XS wannabe than its own thing.

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Post by augbog »

The XR and XS offering confused me for a long time. Even right now I still don't fully understand the difference.

It is surprising that XR didn't do as well as XS relatively speaking. Then again I feel a lot of people who are extremely loyal to Apple wouldn't hesitate to get the most expensive offering anyways.

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Post by shaklee3 »

jeromegv wrote: post #64
Yetanfou wrote: post #57

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Only when you solely rely on the vendor for updates. While this is the only option on iOS devices this is not the case for Android where several third-party distributions can be used to keep older devices up to date. Some of these offer OTA updates which makes them usable for 'normal' users, i.e. those who want to use the device but are not that keen (or knowledgeable enough) to tinker with them.

Public stats on android usage per version contradict your theory. In overwhelming huge majority, those phones never get updated, ever. Most people don’t search the web for third party distribution. That’s just what the data shows us.

It doesn't contradict the theory. People can update to a later OS if they want to by visiting XDA. Just because they don't doesn't mean it's not possible.

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Post by stingrae »

pdimitar wrote: post #49
koyote wrote: post #25

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I agree. The notch simply does not look premium at all. It's the kind of design decision you would see in lower-end phones as a compromise. The fact that so many Android OEMs followed suit surprised me. The usual chinese iPhone clones going along with it? Sure! But so many 'reputable' companies went for it, it's just incomprehensible. Anecdotally I just can't imagine someone preferring a notch to no notch (as long as…

> Or did they not look at any data at all and simply go with "we better follow Apple on this, just in case". It looks that way and it looked that way for years. What a shame. There are still devices with good designs out there -- Sony, Nokia and Xiaomi mostly come to mind -- but the general trend has been "let's all add a notch". :(

samsung? They have skipped the notch.

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Post by anpago »

The Wife has a iPhone each year and for her needs wanted a bigger screen than the standard 8 should would of happily had a iPhone 8 plus as her new phone but when the XR came along it worked out as more screen than the 8 plus. But the difference between the XR and X's models was the extra memory and Apple service plan (roughly). The notch she has never mentioned and I have noticed all new adverts with a phone screen in them have a notch in them, I just don't think the regular user notices them that much.

While she noticed a slight speed difference from the 8. I think it was the improved battery life she liked more and hearing the XR seems to be better than the XS further justify's the choice.

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Post by [deleted] »

thisacctforreal wrote: post #61
0x0 wrote: post #26

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The fact that the 5s got iOS 12 is more of an exception than the rule. The 5 stopped at iOS 10, and the 4s stopped at iOS 9, so the general trend should have stopped the 5s at 11.

The 5s was the first 64-bit ARM CPU in a phone, I've got my fingers crossed it might recieve iOS 13.

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