Sobriety startups shaking up the 12-step model

Post by virgilp » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 1:48 PM UTC

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I guess it depends what you define as "not ok". I mean, why is smoking 4-5 times a week not ok? Why is shooting up heroin 4-5 times a week not ok? In the end, we're simply willfully poisoning ourselves. For some reason we, as a society, have decided that it's OK to poison ourselves with certain substances (caffeine, cigarette smoke) but not others (heroin, methamphetamines). We've made this socially acceptable. So if…

> caffeine There's little evidence that drinking coffee or tea is bad for you overall. In contrast, anything beyond very moderate alcohol consumption is almost certainly bad for you.

Post by ancientworldnow » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 1:49 PM UTC

samstave wrote: post #42

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> Five glasses x 250ml x 12.5%ABV is 15.5 units. I’ve always found it easier to visualize drink quantities relative to a standard bottle, 750ml for most wine and spirits. So that 250ml serving is 1/3 of a bottle per glass.

Yep - its pretty commonly accepted that a bottle of wine is ~3 glasses.

Post by foldr » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 1:51 PM UTC

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> caffeine There's little evidence that drinking coffee or tea is bad for you overall. In contrast, anything beyond very moderate alcohol consumption is almost certainly bad for you.

Ingesting too large amounts of caffeine is almost certainly bad for you. It's a stimulant that increases your blood pressure and heart rate. You don't want to overdo that. It's also diuretic, if you substitute water for coffee (which some people do) it can actually lead to dehydration. But yes, I agree to your larger point that coffee is less dangerous than alcohol.

Post by rafamct » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 1:58 PM UTC

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thelasthuman wrote: post #46

For something supposedly so good on it's own, religion really does try it's best to target vulnerable people. Naive children, desperate people, people who have lost someone, people sick with addiction (referencing the submitting to the higher power step). Whatever helps during trying times I guess. It just seems to me if religion was so great on its own, it would be approached in a calm rational manner targeted at ma…

That's a pretty broad brush to paint all of religion with. There are plenty of rational arguments for Christianity for those willing to do due diligence: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/countering-a-dist...

Post by empath75 » Fri, Jan 04, 2019, 2:08 PM UTC

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Most people with substance abuse problems “grow out of it” with no outside help at all. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/arti... Just from personal experience partying with lots of drugs and drinking in the rave scene when I was in my 20s and djing and promoting, the vast vast majority of people just got tired of it one day and quit — or it interferes with their jobs or their families and they…

My issue is I'm extremely productive on weed. I hate alcohol, but weed makes my life, and everyone elses lives better(I run a consumer website). During my month off weed, I pretty much only wanted to relax and play video games. It seems to benefit, which makes it addicting.