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Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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Post by walrus01 »

kev009 wrote: post #22
scurvy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing wrong with leasing transport. Almost all of NTT's network is leased, and pretty much everyone agrees they're a top flight network. The thing that makes HE unique is that they only sell full ports. They don't do fractional billing or 95/5. You pay for 10gigs on that 10gig circuit, regardless of use. This leads to networks running HE ports near max load at peak time. From HE perspective, this is great b…

Never said there's anything wrong with it, it just changes the capital expenditure and worth from physical to virtual (peering agreements). Companies like Century Link, AT&T, Verizon are in a slightly different category with abundant in ground infrastructure (that has extreme tax benefits in the US).

If you look at CAIDA ASRANK, very few of the top-20 ranked ASes in the world, as ranked by diversity of peering, number of BGP adjacencies, etc also own/fully control the dark fiber their inter-city router-to-router links are operating on. They leave that to specialists like Zayo.

Telia has POPs all up and down the US west coast but it's certainly not their fiber connecting them together.

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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Post by r1ch »

devereaux wrote: post #16
rsync wrote: post #15

We (rsync.net) use he.net bandwidth in three of our locations - one of which is the core he.net datacenter in Fremont (which used to be an Apple Computer manufacturing facility). The reason I originally sought out he.net to work with was their continued operation of irc.lightning.net. The MOTD on lightning referred to their network and was written in a way that made me believe they were highly technical, clueful peop…

+1. My interactions with HE, from customer service to sales have always been excellent. Also, they are technical. They know networking. You can use the right words, and they will understand. It is a nice change compared to other companies. HE may be more expansive, but they are worth every extra cent.

Even their free services have great support, I had some non-standard DNS setup that wasn't possible through their web interface and it was up and running within a few hours.

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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Post by rescbr »

bsder wrote: post #3

It's amazing to see all the underwater cabling. That's remarkable. However, what's with the gigantic holes in interior South America, Africa, Russia, and China? Is that real or an artifact of their methodology? (Presumably, the "emptiness" of interior China is due to the fact that everything is behind the Great Firewall and is hosing their metrics)

At least for South America, the most developed cities are concentrated in coastal areas, it's where the international submarine cables land and most large datacenters are located.

The countryside is connected by the national/local telcos and thus isn't present on a international provider map. This map shows the Brazilian backbone on a macro scale: https://i.imgur.com/gRrANPJ.jpg

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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Post by ZWoz »

walrus01 wrote: post #31
kev009 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Never said there's anything wrong with it, it just changes the capital expenditure and worth from physical to virtual (peering agreements). Companies like Century Link, AT&T, Verizon are in a slightly different category with abundant in ground infrastructure (that has extreme tax benefits in the US).

If you look at CAIDA ASRANK, very few of the top-20 ranked ASes in the world, as ranked by diversity of peering, number of BGP adjacencies, etc also own/fully control the dark fiber their inter-city router-to-router links are operating on. They leave that to specialists like Zayo. Telia has POPs all up and down the US west coast but it's certainly not their fiber connecting them together.

If you look globally, then owning fiber everywhere is impossible: there are countries where legal framework allows one or few specific operators.

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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Post by deskamess »

kev009 wrote: post #23
deskamess wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly does one purchase their solution? Or more exactly what is being purchased? Do you place your servers on their rack in various data centers, and then have access to their backbone at cheap rates?

Most people on this site don't in the same way they don't buy servers and prop up huge margins for AWS. The funny thing is it's not hard, I have my own personal autonomous system, IPs, and routing. You buy transit at any "on net" site they are at, and that can include static IP routing with IPs they lease you or you use BGP to announce your own IPs (from the correct regional RIR). This is "The Internet".

Thanks for the explanation.

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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Post by deskamess »

walrus01 wrote: post #12
deskamess wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How exactly does one purchase their solution? Or more exactly what is being purchased? Do you place your servers on their rack in various data centers, and then have access to their backbone at cheap rates?

HE is a major "IP transit" provider, if you're a small to medium sized ISP, they are one of your choices in the market for buying absolutely necessary transit to reach other parts of the Internet. Grossly simplified, you as a tiny ISP get your own AS, and at least a /24 of RIPE, APNIC or ARIN IP space, set up your own router, and announce your AS and IP space to HE over a BGP session with them. Usually via a singlemo…

Thanks for the explanation. Not familiar with some of the terms but I think I get the overall gist.

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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Post by sn »

scurvy wrote: post #21
kev009 wrote: post #2

It doesn't have the flash in the pan moment of sucesss like a unicorn startup but these guys will make billions some day due to all the peering agreements and interconnect (most the long haul is probably leased), especially as IPv6 takes majority prominence in the coming years. Excellent slow burner kind of business and smart customer acquisition through low pricing and easy turn-ups.

There's nothing wrong with leasing transport. Almost all of NTT's network is leased, and pretty much everyone agrees they're a top flight network. The thing that makes HE unique is that they only sell full ports. They don't do fractional billing or 95/5. You pay for 10gigs on that 10gig circuit, regardless of use. This leads to networks running HE ports near max load at peak time. From HE perspective, this is great b…

Maybe that's location dependent? They'll sell us a lower commit than the full circuit, but we're in the SF bay area.

Re: Hurricane Electric 3D network map

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Post by sn »

rsync wrote: post #15

We (rsync.net) use he.net bandwidth in three of our locations - one of which is the core he.net datacenter in Fremont (which used to be an Apple Computer manufacturing facility). The reason I originally sought out he.net to work with was their continued operation of irc.lightning.net. The MOTD on lightning referred to their network and was written in a way that made me believe they were highly technical, clueful peop…

I just got permission to advertise smaller subnets than a /24 during a move.

They have install times orders of magnitude less than competitors - we're talking 2 days lead time vs. 45.

And while they're not as cheap as Cogent, they are still lower cost than most other transit providers and actually have full IPv6 tables (unlike Cogent.)

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