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U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by taobility »

fspeech wrote: post #58
taobility wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China's warning is related with US randomly violence, gun shooting, robbery etc (if you understand Chinese: http://www.china-embassy.org/chn/lszj/zytz/t1597786.htm ). US and China are very different countries, like in China, the downtown of metropolis is very safe at night, but in US is totally different. And also, gun shooting in US is really normal, but extremely rare in China.

This reads like an faq for people coming to US. First item reminds people to buy travel/health insurance. Second item warns against going out alone in late night. Etc. I didn't see anything political in it.

But VOA think that's not normal, and it's a political signal. Do you believe? https://www.voachinese.com/a/news-us-china-travel-20180703/4...

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Post by squirrelicus »

bduerst wrote: post #34
squirrelicus wrote: post #30

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What human rights are being violated again? You don't have a right to just be in America. That's not a human right. The whole point of this article is that China has just begun threatening Americans, so what happened last year is irrelevant.

>You don't have a right to just be in America. Nobody is claiming this straw man. Read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U... So you agree that China hasn't thrown Americans into death camps? This rhetoric leans more towards being motivated in part from a failing trade war with China, not based on a real threat.

I'm sorry but 30k illegal immigrants in a relative mansion with butlers is nothing compared to what everyone knows the Chinese do to undesirables. If you're an American, you are now an undesirable.

Here let me put it this way. Go to tianenman square and make a speech about it. You know you'll die in China. You knew that 10 years ago. And things just got worse.

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Post by squirrelicus »

cmurf wrote: post #39
squirrelicus wrote: post #30

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What human rights are being violated again? You don't have a right to just be in America. That's not a human right. The whole point of this article is that China has just begun threatening Americans, so what happened last year is irrelevant.

Refugees do have rights, and signatory states have obligations under the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and as amended in the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. The U.S. is signatory to the convention and protocol. And also the 1980 Refugee Act applies in the U.S.A.

I don't want to argue there are no violations of rights occurring at all. That's an extraordinarily improbable stance to hold.

But if you don't see something different about illegal immigrants detained in America, and what China is known to do... Then there's simply something morally wrong with you.

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Post by chillacy »

joejerryronnie wrote: post #38
yourbandsucks wrote: post #35

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I mean, in the long arc, sure, but I'd really like to not see it get there. The Huawei thing just seems so avoidable. We renege on a deal with Iran that the Iranians were honoring, we start a trade war with China for mostly domestic-political reasons, and then we lump the 2 together into a justification for borderline-kidnapping of their citizen in Canada? Whatever happened to getting together at the table and negoti…

Not that I disagree with your reasoning (and that going after Meng Wanzhou is a strange and seemingly unnecessary escalation), but China does not really negotiate honestly or play by any set of recognized international rules. I guess you could say the same of the US, but then you see the dilemma. My, unfortunately cynical, takeaway is that no matter how “woke” we like to think we have become as a global society, ever…

Germans called it https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

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Post by A2017U1 »

grecy wrote: post #55
SilasX wrote: post #43

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What about looking at the price of traveler's insurance?

Something most people don't know. Your travel insurance policy is not valid if you travel to a country that has a travel warning issued by the country that the policy is issued by. So essentially, if you go anywhere even slightly "not first world" your travel insurance is useless.

> So essentially, if you go anywhere even slightly "not first world" your travel insurance is useless.

This is an absurd claim.

Can you present one example of this happening? Travel insurance clearly shows the countries it will cover you for, any claims denied are likely for very different reasons.

I've made a few claims in the developing world with nothing more than testimony+pictures, the police report was essentially worthless and likely never translated.

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Post by SilasX »

grecy wrote: post #57
SilasX wrote: post #56

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Yeah, but I'm talking about if you got quoted for a policy on a specific journey, not just some blanket "travel insurance" policy. I'm pretty sure they can't quote you for a trip to Elbonia and then say "lol j/k we don't have to cover anything because there was a warning against Elbonia at the time". (I could maybe believe they could exclude events happening after a warning after the policy was issued.)

> I'm pretty sure they can't quote you for a trip to Elbonia and then say "lol j/k we don't have to cover anything because there was a warning against Elbonia at the time". That's exactly what they do. It's in the fine print. Read it.

As above, I can believe that they would drop coverage if a warning were issued after the Elbonia warning, or if the coverage is void if e.g. you engage in political activism.

I don't know any insurance commission that would be okay with the fine print saying "the coverage on the specific trip to the country you asked for was void from the moment it was issued because warning and therefore you were paying for nothing".

Can you cite a case where a travel insurer issued a policy that covered nothing from the moment it was written for a specific trip to a specific warned country?

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Post by dang »

bowmessage wrote: post #37
ssnistfajen wrote: post #25

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More like those two did not possess enough skills to qualify for a better visa. No country inherently needs immigrants who can't contribute anything. Zero sympathy for them. laowhy86 and serpentza subsisted off a horde of uninformed people who couldn't be bothered to even read Wikipedia articles about a country. This is evident through the clickbait-y style and non-existent intellectual depth of their videos.

Guess you didn't watch their motorcycle touring videos? Astounding, hyper-local, cultural documentaries. Very much contributing to the country. Or you're another state sponsored troll?

Attack another user like that will get you banned here. Please follow the guidelines.

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