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Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by ProAm » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 8:50 PM UTC

ssnistfajen wrote: post #25

stcredzero wrote: post #8

According to YouTubers fitting the description, lots of ex-patriate westerners have been leaving China in recent months. The climate there has changed from tolerant/friendly towards westerners to "we don't need you." (serpentza and laowhy86 on YouTube are how I became aware of this.)

More like those two did not possess enough skills to qualify for a better visa. No country inherently needs immigrants who can't contribute anything. Zero sympathy for them. laowhy86 and serpentza subsisted off a horde of uninformed people who couldn't be bothered to even read Wikipedia articles about a country. This is evident through the clickbait-y style and non-existent intellectual depth of their videos.

> No country inherently needs immigrants who can't contribute anything. Zero sympathy for them.

We're all people of the earth who do not need inherit value to live with some imaginary line on the ground.

Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by kyrra » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 8:52 PM UTC

grecy wrote: post #32

Latteland wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds believable that countries do these alerts for sometimes political reasons, but China is actually keeping people from leaving the country for unspecified reasons and is seizing people, even their own citizens.

Plenty of countries do bad things to their own citizens that have absolutely no impact on foreign tourists who visit. I'm not saying it's OK, but it's hardly a reason to warn people not to go there.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/politics/china-canada-...

China has been holding 3 Canadian's, likely in retaliation to the CFO of Huawei being held. So it may seem warranted here?

Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by SilasX » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 8:57 PM UTC

grecy wrote: post #17

After traveling for over 2.5 years through 30 countries in Africa (still going)[1], I've learned travel advisories are extremely Political. Senegal wants to get a fair price for it's resources and asks for that? France issues a travel warning and decimates their tourist industry for a few years. It's common place for Western countries to issue travel warnings when they just don't like what a certain country is doing…

What about looking at the price of traveler's insurance?

Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by echevil » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 8:59 PM UTC

Latteland wrote: post #27

grecy wrote: post #17

After traveling for over 2.5 years through 30 countries in Africa (still going)[1], I've learned travel advisories are extremely Political. Senegal wants to get a fair price for it's resources and asks for that? France issues a travel warning and decimates their tourist industry for a few years. It's common place for Western countries to issue travel warnings when they just don't like what a certain country is doing…

Sounds believable that countries do these alerts for sometimes political reasons, but China is actually keeping people from leaving the country for unspecified reasons and is seizing people, even their own citizens.

China is issuing the same warning to Chinese citizens traveling to US

Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by rdlecler1 » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 8:59 PM UTC

One Chinese idiom is “kill the chicken to scare the monkey” — right now Canada is the chicken.

Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by gringoDan » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 9:00 PM UTC

To put this in context, the US Travel Advisory for China is "Level 2: Exercise Increased Caution". This is the same as the travel advisory for the U.K., most of Western Europe, and the touristy parts of Mexico.

Map of US Travel Advisories: https://travelmaps.state.gov/TSGMap/

Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by EpicEng » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 9:04 PM UTC

echevil wrote: post #44

Latteland wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds believable that countries do these alerts for sometimes political reasons, but China is actually keeping people from leaving the country for unspecified reasons and is seizing people, even their own citizens.

China is issuing the same warning to Chinese citizens traveling to US

And which Chinese citizens are we holding hostage in retaliation for an exec being jailed?

Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by EpicEng » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 9:07 PM UTC

ProAm wrote: post #41

ssnistfajen wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like those two did not possess enough skills to qualify for a better visa. No country inherently needs immigrants who can't contribute anything. Zero sympathy for them. laowhy86 and serpentza subsisted off a horde of uninformed people who couldn't be bothered to even read Wikipedia articles about a country. This is evident through the clickbait-y style and non-existent intellectual depth of their videos.

> No country inherently needs immigrants who can't contribute anything. Zero sympathy for them. We're all people of the earth who do not need inherit value to live with some imaginary line on the ground.

>We're all people of the earth who do not need inherit value to live with some imaginary line on the ground.

I'm not agreeing with the GP, but the world simply doesn't work that way. Travel across the "imaginary lines" you speak of are controlled via military might, so perhaps they're not just "imaginary". See how well you fare attempting to run across the NK/SK border.

Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by claudiawerner » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 9:17 PM UTC

EpicEng wrote: post #48

ProAm wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No country inherently needs immigrants who can't contribute anything. Zero sympathy for them. We're all people of the earth who do not need inherit value to live with some imaginary line on the ground.

>We're all people of the earth who do not need inherit value to live with some imaginary line on the ground. I'm not agreeing with the GP, but the world simply doesn't work that way. Travel across the "imaginary lines" you speak of are controlled via military might, so perhaps they're not just "imaginary". See how well you fare attempting to run across the NK/SK border.

Being "made up" (what I think GP means by "imaginary") doesn't mean that such things lack force. For instance, class is "made up" and some ontologies of race and gender fix them as "made up" - this does not, of course, mean that class, race and gender do not have very real effects on society and the individuals therein. But humans have power over human abstractions, so such "made up" things can be changed, as opposed to what I presume OP would group into things not "made up", such as the laws of physics. Being "made up" hints to a possibility, no matter how remote, of a different (and dare I say better) world.

Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by EpicEng » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 9:19 PM UTC

yourbandsucks wrote: post #23

bduerst wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was tongue-in-cheek remark, since they said camps. Is having a legal visa a requirement for having human rights? How many Americans were thrown in Chinese death camps last year?

Also, 'death camps'? That's mind-killing rhetoric. "Let's have a cold war" rhetoric. The USA imprisons a way higher % of our population without trial than the Chinese do. Check the plea bargain stats. Is it China's place to try and police our internal problems?

Accepting a plea agreement does not constitute being thrown in prison without trial.