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U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by justaman »

tossaccount123 wrote: post #9
itslennysfault wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have about 1/4 their population and over 2 million people in prison I'd think people visiting the US from China should be the ones that are worried.

prison =/= forced labor camp for political prisoners or Muslims I have yet to see Trump arrest the hundreds of thousands of people who marched against him and send them to perform slave labor in Alaska. Or arrest members of the media or opposing political parties who criticize him

Wow, terrible that this is downvoted.

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Post by akfanta »

pkaye wrote: post #14
itslennysfault wrote: post #5

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We have about 1/4 their population and over 2 million people in prison I'd think people visiting the US from China should be the ones that are worried.

Do you think it would be better for people requesting political asylum to go to US or China?

That totally depends on who you pissed off, see Snowden.

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Post by yourbandsucks »

bduerst wrote: post #20
squirrelicus wrote: post #19

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Oh come on. How many of those people had legal visas? And how many of them were doing forced labor to death? Regardless of how you think we should handle illegal immigration, we're talking about two very, very different things here. Apparently there's good reason to believe that even if you follow all the laws of China to the letter, there's a risk they'll throw you in a death camp anyway, just because you're America…

It was tongue-in-cheek remark, since they said camps. Is having a legal visa a requirement for having human rights? How many Americans were thrown in Chinese death camps last year?

Also, 'death camps'? That's mind-killing rhetoric. "Let's have a cold war" rhetoric.

The USA imprisons a way higher % of our population without trial than the Chinese do. Check the plea bargain stats. Is it China's place to try and police our internal problems?

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Post by toufiqbarhamov »

stcredzero wrote: post #12
sphinxpy wrote: post #6

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And increasingly willing to throw people in those camps for less and less.

Somewhat like we're suddenly more willing to un-person people in our own society with less pretext, less proof, and less due process. It wouldn't be the first time in our history such has happened. Such things happen in US history as a precursor to wars, and during wartime.

Somewhat like we're suddenly more willing to un-person people in our own society with less pretext, less proof, and less due process. It wouldn't be the first time in our history such has happened. Such things happen in US history as a precursor to wars, and during wartime.

...And all other times. The entire history of the US was built on an entire group of people being legally “un-personed” for purely economic reasons. Are you sure it’s this phenomena you find troubling, or is it just who’s being targeted today? I’m trying to be charitable, yet I’m struggling to frame your comment in another way.

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Post by ssnistfajen »

stcredzero wrote: post #8

According to YouTubers fitting the description, lots of ex-patriate westerners have been leaving China in recent months. The climate there has changed from tolerant/friendly towards westerners to "we don't need you." (serpentza and laowhy86 on YouTube are how I became aware of this.)

More like those two did not possess enough skills to qualify for a better visa. No country inherently needs immigrants who can't contribute anything. Zero sympathy for them.

laowhy86 and serpentza subsisted off a horde of uninformed people who couldn't be bothered to even read Wikipedia articles about a country. This is evident through the clickbait-y style and non-existent intellectual depth of their videos.

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Post by squirrelicus »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #23
bduerst wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was tongue-in-cheek remark, since they said camps. Is having a legal visa a requirement for having human rights? How many Americans were thrown in Chinese death camps last year?

Also, 'death camps'? That's mind-killing rhetoric. "Let's have a cold war" rhetoric. The USA imprisons a way higher % of our population without trial than the Chinese do. Check the plea bargain stats. Is it China's place to try and police our internal problems?

Not necessarily. Heard of the Uyghurs? The Chinese authorities have not been known for thinking Others have human rights, at least since Mao.

Since when did putting millions of ethnic or political minorities in death camps become synonymous with imprisonment for crimes actually committed. You know what you get when you get imprisoned in America? Food, warmth, and lawyer and a judge!

I'm not saying being imprisoned is good. But this level of reverse whataboutism is mind killing.

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Post by Latteland »

grecy wrote: post #17

After traveling for over 2.5 years through 30 countries in Africa (still going)[1], I've learned travel advisories are extremely Political. Senegal wants to get a fair price for it's resources and asks for that? France issues a travel warning and decimates their tourist industry for a few years. It's common place for Western countries to issue travel warnings when they just don't like what a certain country is doing…

Sounds believable that countries do these alerts for sometimes political reasons, but China is actually keeping people from leaving the country for unspecified reasons and is seizing people, even their own citizens.

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Post by joejerryronnie »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #11
api wrote: post #4

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I dunno... a travel warning about a country with over a million people currently in camps seems reasonable.

You're proving my point with that rush to demonize. The travel warning has nothing to do with uighur camps. Americans and Canadians aren't Uighur and aren't part of that conflict. It's like saying nations would issue travel warnings about the US because of fear of drone bombs. This is an escalating tit-for-tat related to the Huawei CFO. And all too many are just so certain that the place they were born is just so rig…

I would argue the Huawei CFO situation is just another escalation in the tit-for-tat battle that accompanies a rising power trying to displace an existing power. Most times, this leads to armed conflict of one sort or another.

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Post by blacksmith_tb »

gruez wrote: post #18
blacksmith_tb wrote: post #16

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I only wish that was true[1]. Of course, that does nothing to let the Chinese government off the hook for imprisoning and 're-educating' their Uighur citizens. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_Stat...

>I only wish that was true[1]. he said >for political prisoners or Muslims Penal labor is bad and all, but equating what china's doing with what's happening in the US is giving china too much credit.

I wasn't trying to give China any credit, what they're doing is reprehensible, no doubt about it. I was suggesting that the situation of African-Americans in the US prison system[1] is less different from the Chinese example than we'd like to think.

1: https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/

Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by squirrelicus »

bduerst wrote: post #20
squirrelicus wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh come on. How many of those people had legal visas? And how many of them were doing forced labor to death? Regardless of how you think we should handle illegal immigration, we're talking about two very, very different things here. Apparently there's good reason to believe that even if you follow all the laws of China to the letter, there's a risk they'll throw you in a death camp anyway, just because you're America…

It was tongue-in-cheek remark, since they said camps. Is having a legal visa a requirement for having human rights? How many Americans were thrown in Chinese death camps last year?

What human rights are being violated again? You don't have a right to just be in America. That's not a human right.

The whole point of this article is that China has just begun threatening Americans, so what happened last year is irrelevant.

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