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Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by yourbandsucks » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 7:24 PM UTC

api wrote: post #4

yourbandsucks wrote: post #2

I guess 30 years of peace and prosperity was too much for people to handle.. we can't just read our history, we have to learn the hard way.

I dunno... a travel warning about a country with over a million people currently in camps seems reasonable.

You're proving my point with that rush to demonize.

The travel warning has nothing to do with uighur camps. Americans and Canadians aren't Uighur and aren't part of that conflict. It's like saying nations would issue travel warnings about the US because of fear of drone bombs.

This is an escalating tit-for-tat related to the Huawei CFO. And all too many are just so certain that the place they were born is just so righteous.. it's probably going to continue to escalate.

Re: U.S. issues China travel advisory amid increased tensions

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Post by stcredzero » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 7:25 PM UTC

sphinxpy wrote: post #6

api wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno... a travel warning about a country with over a million people currently in camps seems reasonable.

And increasingly willing to throw people in those camps for less and less.

Somewhat like we're suddenly more willing to un-person people in our own society with less pretext, less proof, and less due process. It wouldn't be the first time in our history such has happened. Such things happen in US history as a precursor to wars, and during wartime.

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Post by DeonPenny » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 7:25 PM UTC

stcredzero wrote: post #8

According to YouTubers fitting the description, lots of ex-patriate westerners have been leaving China in recent months. The climate there has changed from tolerant/friendly towards westerners to "we don't need you." (serpentza and laowhy86 on YouTube are how I became aware of this.)

Yeh I saw there videos. Seems like it has been building for a while

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Post by pkaye » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 7:27 PM UTC

itslennysfault wrote: post #5

api wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno... a travel warning about a country with over a million people currently in camps seems reasonable.

We have about 1/4 their population and over 2 million people in prison I'd think people visiting the US from China should be the ones that are worried.

Do you think it would be better for people requesting political asylum to go to US or China?

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Post by ngcc_hk » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 7:30 PM UTC

itslennysfault wrote: post #5

api wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno... a travel warning about a country with over a million people currently in camps seems reasonable.

We have about 1/4 their population and over 2 million people in prison I'd think people visiting the US from China should be the ones that are worried.

No rule of law could be a hint.

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Post by blacksmith_tb » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 7:30 PM UTC

tossaccount123 wrote: post #9

itslennysfault wrote: post #5

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We have about 1/4 their population and over 2 million people in prison I'd think people visiting the US from China should be the ones that are worried.

prison =/= forced labor camp for political prisoners or Muslims I have yet to see Trump arrest the hundreds of thousands of people who marched against him and send them to perform slave labor in Alaska. Or arrest members of the media or opposing political parties who criticize him

I only wish that was true[1]. Of course, that does nothing to let the Chinese government off the hook for imprisoning and 're-educating' their Uighur citizens.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_Stat...

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Post by grecy » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 7:37 PM UTC

After traveling for over 2.5 years through 30 countries in Africa (still going)[1], I've learned travel advisories are extremely Political.

Senegal wants to get a fair price for it's resources and asks for that? France issues a travel warning and decimates their tourist industry for a few years.

It's common place for Western countries to issue travel warnings when they just don't like what a certain country is doing politically. It's often got nothing to do with traveler safety.

[1]http://instagram.com/theroadchoseme/

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Post by gruez » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 7:44 PM UTC

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #16

tossaccount123 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

prison =/= forced labor camp for political prisoners or Muslims I have yet to see Trump arrest the hundreds of thousands of people who marched against him and send them to perform slave labor in Alaska. Or arrest members of the media or opposing political parties who criticize him

I only wish that was true[1]. Of course, that does nothing to let the Chinese government off the hook for imprisoning and 're-educating' their Uighur citizens. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_labor_in_the_United_Stat...

>I only wish that was true[1].

he said

>for political prisoners or Muslims

Penal labor is bad and all, but equating what china's doing with what's happening in the US is giving china too much credit.

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Post by squirrelicus » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 7:48 PM UTC

bduerst wrote: post #7

api wrote: post #4

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I dunno... a travel warning about a country with over a million people currently in camps seems reasonable.

Which country? U.S. immigration detention camps had close to half a million people at one point.

Oh come on. How many of those people had legal visas? And how many of them were doing forced labor to death?

Regardless of how you think we should handle illegal immigration, we're talking about two very, very different things here. Apparently there's good reason to believe that even if you follow all the laws of China to the letter, there's a risk they'll throw you in a death camp anyway, just because you're American.

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Post by bduerst » Thu, Jan 03, 2019, 7:58 PM UTC

squirrelicus wrote: post #19

bduerst wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which country? U.S. immigration detention camps had close to half a million people at one point.

Oh come on. How many of those people had legal visas? And how many of them were doing forced labor to death? Regardless of how you think we should handle illegal immigration, we're talking about two very, very different things here. Apparently there's good reason to believe that even if you follow all the laws of China to the letter, there's a risk they'll throw you in a death camp anyway, just because you're America…

It was tongue-in-cheek remark, since they said camps. Is having a legal visa a requirement for having human rights? How many Americans were thrown in Chinese death camps last year?