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Netflix Takes Down Episode of Hasan Minhaj’s Show in Saudi Arabia

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This is the only natural conclusion in a world where sovereign countries legislate the internet according to their values and tech companies follow local laws. Regulatory backlash isn't always going to be GDPR. Sometimes it's going to be this.

Well yeah Netflix does business in Saudi Arabia so they have to follow the local laws. I honestly don't get why this is so shocking?

What is the alternative- the internet is ruled by US laws? No way in hell would I sign up for that.

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It's not unreasonable for a sovereign country to exercise control over legal media in its territory. It might not be just, or fair, for residents of that country, but it is reasonable.

A government exercising control over the media in its country is a very clear-cut violation of the value of free-speech. The moral question is whether American companies should help foreign governments shut down free-speech. Just like google in China. And the consensus seems to be "No."

Every country has rules about what you can show on television. Some countries are extremely liberal (Denmark, the Netherlands) others less so.

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#123

This is the only natural conclusion in a world where sovereign countries legislate the internet according to their values and tech companies follow local laws. Regulatory backlash isn't always going to be GDPR. Sometimes it's going to be this.

Well yeah Netflix does business in Saudi Arabia so they have to follow the local laws. I honestly don't get why this is so shocking? What is the alternative- the internet is ruled by US laws? No way in hell would I sign up for that.

> the internet is ruled by

no one is what i think they are getting at

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The style is very formulaic in my opinion. Find something outrageous someone said or did or contradicting themself, then say "that would be like if..." And make an extreme analogy usually with crude or sexual humor. Personally, it's tiring and the information density is too low. And sometimes the logic of the analogy doesn't work, and they pretend the analogy proves something even though analogies never do, they can…

why is information density a meaningful metric for comedy? i agree with the rest of your point, it's formulaic and repetitive at this point

I guess it's not, but the way the shows are structured, such as Oliver's and Minhaj's they seem to be partly educational where they try to summarize a topic, but it's frequently missing relevant information so I don't get anything out of that aspect of the show either. Audience ideally shouldn't be expecting a news comedy show to be a complete source of information.

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post #123

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Well yeah Netflix does business in Saudi Arabia so they have to follow the local laws. I honestly don't get why this is so shocking? What is the alternative- the internet is ruled by US laws? No way in hell would I sign up for that.

> the internet is ruled by no one is what i think they are getting at

Anarchy? Cool. But I really wonder how many people want to live with the consequences of that.

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Re: Netflix Takes Down Episode of Hasan Minhaj’s Show in Saudi Arabia

#128

This is the only natural conclusion in a world where sovereign countries legislate the internet according to their values and tech companies follow local laws. Regulatory backlash isn't always going to be GDPR. Sometimes it's going to be this.

Well yeah Netflix does business in Saudi Arabia so they have to follow the local laws. I honestly don't get why this is so shocking? What is the alternative- the internet is ruled by US laws? No way in hell would I sign up for that.

The ideal situation is to have freedom of expression. That includes free press. It’s not a concept owned by any country or culture. It’s universlly desirable. You don’t want the government committing acts of violence against you for your speech. The lack of this freedom is morally abhorrent and condemnation-worthy.

> What is the alternative- the internet is ruled by US laws

Your notions of national sovereignty and individual freedom are so terrible, I don’t know if I should even respond.

Individual sovereignty supersedes governmental authority in a civil-libertarian moral-political framework. No government has any sort of moral right to be violent against a person for speech.

And the concept of national sovereignty is a farce. Countries like China and SA are not even democracies, so by respecting their “sovereignty” you’re respecting the minorities in power over those countries.

But even democracies have absolutely no right to claim sovereignty — having 60% of a country’s vote will never legitimize erasing fundamental human freedoms. (Or else everything the NSDAP did would be morally A-OK.)

A general moral operating principle to apply when analyzing political issues is the “zero aggression principle”: https://www.zeroaggressionproject.org

Re: Netflix Takes Down Episode of Hasan Minhaj’s Show in Saudi Arabia

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First time I've heard of the show. I watched about 20 minutes ... pretty good. The style reminds me of Samantha B ... political commentary sprinkled with humor.

The style is very formulaic in my opinion. Find something outrageous someone said or did or contradicting themself, then say "that would be like if..." And make an extreme analogy usually with crude or sexual humor. Personally, it's tiring and the information density is too low. And sometimes the logic of the analogy doesn't work, and they pretend the analogy proves something even though analogies never do, they can…

Information density is an interesting thing to expect from an entertainment show. Not even a regular news show is informationally dense.

Re: Netflix Takes Down Episode of Hasan Minhaj’s Show in Saudi Arabia

#130

This is the only natural conclusion in a world where sovereign countries legislate the internet according to their values and tech companies follow local laws. Regulatory backlash isn't always going to be GDPR. Sometimes it's going to be this.

Well yeah Netflix does business in Saudi Arabia so they have to follow the local laws. I honestly don't get why this is so shocking? What is the alternative- the internet is ruled by US laws? No way in hell would I sign up for that.

Just curious, do you have same opinion when the country in question is China?
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