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Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by SHAKEDECADE »

strken wrote: post #44
Waterluvian wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In retrospect do you think your dad's approach was an effective teaching method? I'm slowly trying to figure out what kind of disciplinarian I'm going to be with my boys.

It was more effective than just grounding would have been, since it had a certain fairness to it. He also helped me apply the putty, and gave half my pocket money back after it was fixed "because the jar was still half full", which is kind of funny in retrospect. It's probably easier to create teaching moments when your kid does something negligent or thoughtless, rather than downright malicious.

That’s awesome. Your dad had a good head on his shoulders during those moments. Cudos.

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Post by BurningFrog »

antongribok wrote: post #45
jimhefferon wrote: post #21

In the museum on Nantuckut there is a display devoted to the USS Essex , a whaling ship (it is the ship that the whale rams, I think). One incindent that made an impression on me was a sailor, who was driven insane by boredom, and sabotaged the ship, just for something to happen. I understand space to be unbelivably boring.

My boss's classmate from college went up to the ISS for the first time a couple of years ago. They graduated about 25 years ago and his classmate worked nonstop for 25 years to get to go to space. My understanding is once there, you work 16 hour days non-stop. I think most people would describe being on the ISS as anything else but "boring".

Most people, sure. But it only takes one who's different.

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by Tade0 »

skookumchuck wrote: post #43
jimnotgym wrote: post #2

Do you ever find yourself in the position whereyou are holding a brand new drill (for instance) in your hand, and you are just desperate to try it on something . I am the same with a new knife, something is going to get cut. Maybe this happened? "I wonder how well this drills aluminium, OMG it went right through"...pretend nothing happened. It is a bit like developers with a new js framework I suppose.

> pretend nothing happened Sure, but in the hull of the spacecraft that's leaking my air away, I'd still put a wad a chewing gum in the hole to patch it.

As someone who fought and lost a war with holes in an inflated mattress I have to say that even one atmosphere is a surprisingly powerful amount of pressure when applied over a long period.

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by chiefalchemist »

ygra wrote: post #38
chiefalchemist wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose. But I would think cabin pressure and such are checked pre-launch.

The hole was sealed with glue initially. Temperature change in orbit eventually made it brittle and fall out, so the loss in pressure was only detected in orbit, but not prior to launch.

Ah. I see. Certainly these things are under constant video surveillance. Just review the tape?

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Post by jcims »

ars wrote: post #49
stevage wrote: post #48

Anyone have any good theories as to how this could have happened? Is it really plausible that it was "accidentally" drilled during manufacture, and not detected? I mean, surely there must be some kind of testing step where they test that the craft is completely airtight. And no one is going to be drilling anything after that point.

Don't forget it was sealed, and the seal failed. So it was initially air tight. To me that excludes sabotage, and instead points of error that someone tried to cover up. It also points to someone low-level/unskilled since they did a bad job of sealing it.

Do they know for sure it was sealed or is that just the theory how it would have got into space without detecting air loss on the ground?

Based on the tracks around the actual hole it looks accidental to me.

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Post by kokoroko »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #7

So I was teaching a new guy on building some of the interior work on sailboats. I showed him how to drill a couple of holes through the fiberglass flange to mount something-or-other. Several hours later my boss asks me why there's two small holes in the hull. Well, I didn't specifically tell him not to drill through the flange, the cm of space, and through the whole hull.

Somewhat tangentially relevant, one of the reasons people find math particularly hard is because many people come into math with attitude that some things are "obvious", "self-explanatory", "common sense".

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

Waterluvian wrote: post #41
manyxcxi wrote: post #28

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This is the approach I (try, and try and try and try) to take with my kids (6,4,2). I repeatedly tell them I will never be mad at them for mistakes, but they have to help fix them- whatever that may be. I also tell them I will get mad if they do it on purpose and/or I’ve instructed them not to do said thing that caused whatever issue. I try very hard to be explicit with instruction. Saying “be careful” doesn’t mean a…

This is a treasure trove of wisdom. Thank you for sharing. The challenge I have is my hard wiring for anger with pain. I'm a goofy dad but when my toddler swings his skull full speed into my jaw, a spark ignites something in me and my civilized brain can muster one thing: put him down, go to the garage, and kick a garbage can. Otherwise I have this uncorked rage and I feel scared with it. I'm not proud of it but I ac…

Better kicking a garbage can than the child haha. I can totally relate as my toddler does the same thing. Saying “don’t do that” only makes him do it again. Saying “that hurts” makes him laugh.

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Post by majewsky »

sandworm101 wrote: post #54
paulie_a wrote: post #46

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Completely unrelated but since you are asking about teaching methods. My father did this regarding food. If eventually it turns out my sister and me didn't like a particular thing recipes were adjusted. But to make us kids at least try, if we didn't finish our meals or we're being picky. He would put the plate on the counter and make us stand there until we finished. It was effective. It wasn't cruel, it was simply a…

>> method of making sure I finished my meal That approach has been linked to the obesity crisis. MacDonalds knows all about it, the need to finish what is given to you regardless of whether you are still hungry. They observe the lengths customers go to get that last fry at the bottom of the container. We should at least consider teaching kids today to not eat everything on the plate every time. Perhaps they should le…

Come to think of it, that may explain some of my serving sizes. When I eat at Subway, I always take the 6" size and it satiates me. When I eat a pizza, I eat the whole thing and I'm not satiated before I've finished it, even though it's vastly more filling than a 6" sub.

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Post by ufmace »

ygra wrote: post #38
chiefalchemist wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose. But I would think cabin pressure and such are checked pre-launch.

The hole was sealed with glue initially. Temperature change in orbit eventually made it brittle and fall out, so the loss in pressure was only detected in orbit, but not prior to launch.

That makes too much sense...

Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

sandworm101 wrote: post #54
paulie_a wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Completely unrelated but since you are asking about teaching methods. My father did this regarding food. If eventually it turns out my sister and me didn't like a particular thing recipes were adjusted. But to make us kids at least try, if we didn't finish our meals or we're being picky. He would put the plate on the counter and make us stand there until we finished. It was effective. It wasn't cruel, it was simply a…

>> method of making sure I finished my meal That approach has been linked to the obesity crisis. MacDonalds knows all about it, the need to finish what is given to you regardless of whether you are still hungry. They observe the lengths customers go to get that last fry at the bottom of the container. We should at least consider teaching kids today to not eat everything on the plate every time. Perhaps they should le…

Do like the Japanese, stop when you feel 80% full, let the brain catch on the the fact that you Are no longer hungry.
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