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Post extraneous flamebait to threads. It lowers the signal/noise ratio and leads to worse.
Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside
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Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside
#52Anyone have any good theories as to how this could have happened? Is it really plausible that it was "accidentally" drilled during manufacture, and not detected? I mean, surely there must be some kind of testing step where they test that the craft is completely airtight. And no one is going to be drilling anything after that point.
Don't forget it was sealed, and the seal failed. So it was initially air tight. To me that excludes sabotage, and instead points of error that someone tried to cover up. It also points to someone low-level/unskilled since they did a bad job of sealing it.
Oh, I missed that part.
Yeah, makes total sense.
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My dad made me buy him some hole filling putty with my pocket money after I did this to his workbench at an age where I really should have known better. Apparently you're meant to clamp an offcut between the piece you're drilling into and the bench.
In retrospect do you think your dad's approach was an effective teaching method? I'm slowly trying to figure out what kind of disciplinarian I'm going to be with my boys.
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#54Earlier quoted context omitted.
In retrospect do you think your dad's approach was an effective teaching method? I'm slowly trying to figure out what kind of disciplinarian I'm going to be with my boys.
Completely unrelated but since you are asking about teaching methods. My father did this regarding food. If eventually it turns out my sister and me didn't like a particular thing recipes were adjusted. But to make us kids at least try, if we didn't finish our meals or we're being picky. He would put the plate on the counter and make us stand there until we finished. It was effective. It wasn't cruel, it was simply a…
>> method of making sure I finished my meal
That approach has been linked to the obesity crisis. MacDonalds knows all about it, the need to finish what is given to you regardless of whether you are still hungry. They observe the lengths customers go to get that last fry at the bottom of the container. We should at least consider teaching kids today to not eat everything on the plate every time. Perhaps they should learn to stop on their own.
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Depends if it was accompanied by insults and derision (bad) or patience and understanding that it is a learning opportunity and mistakes need to be rectified (note I didn't say paid for)
This is the approach I (try, and try and try and try) to take with my kids (6,4,2). I repeatedly tell them I will never be mad at them for mistakes, but they have to help fix them- whatever that may be. I also tell them I will get mad if they do it on purpose and/or I’ve instructed them not to do said thing that caused whatever issue. I try very hard to be explicit with instruction. Saying “be careful” doesn’t mean a…
Making stuff is half figuring out what to do and half fixing the inevitable mistakes
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I'm a smart person but when learning stuff I often feel really dumb because I ask what should be really obvious questions. It's some weird mix of ignorance and fear of doing it wrong in front of the boss. "So fasten x to y with a screw." "Do I drill through and into the workbench too?" "Why would you do that?!" (In my mind) well I saw someone else fastening a work piece to the bench temporarily like that and why woul…
There are lots of times that you drill/saw past the piece you are cutting and into the support material, the bench, below. This generally makes for cleaner edges. Normally you put a sacrifice piece underneath, but sometimes the workbench takes the hit.
In my case the workbench is the sacrificial piece. I have a 3/4" sheet of MDF on top of my workbench that I can screw into/paint/whatever, and just swap it out when needed (ends up being every 18-24 months with my fairly limited usage).
Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside
#57My bets are the holes were drilled and sealed in Russia, before launch.
Re: Russian Cosmonauts Say That the Hole in the Soyuz Was Drilled from the Inside
#58Well if it was drilled from the outside in, that would be spooky.
It would be even spookier if somebody (unexpected) knocked on the door...
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1. Scratch marks around the hole means that panel was likely not obstructed by anything [but possibly soft material]. Stacked panels is unlikely. 2. Drill was hand-held - again due to the marks where drill bit was trying to find it's way around. 3. No any markings from pen/pencil or anything that would show that any kind of measurements were done beforehand. Which means that the hole was not part of any specific fixt…
Which means that the hole was not part of any specific fixture/attachment or construction element. I wouldn't be so sure about that --- "we need to mount an X, it needs to be roughly in this area", while possibly questionable in space, is not uncommon in other construction. It could be a similar scenario, except whoever was responsible identified the wrong area. as well as determine which person's suit/clothing/outfi…
Not sure if the hull has other through holes for mounting stuff, but this one could easily be just that. Someone drilled a hole they thought made sense, it didn't, they sealed it with the wrong material and didn't say anything about it.
I bet every spacecraft has a couple non conformances like that.
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This is the approach I (try, and try and try and try) to take with my kids (6,4,2). I repeatedly tell them I will never be mad at them for mistakes, but they have to help fix them- whatever that may be. I also tell them I will get mad if they do it on purpose and/or I’ve instructed them not to do said thing that caused whatever issue. I try very hard to be explicit with instruction. Saying “be careful” doesn’t mean a…
This is a treasure trove of wisdom. Thank you for sharing. The challenge I have is my hard wiring for anger with pain. I'm a goofy dad but when my toddler swings his skull full speed into my jaw, a spark ignites something in me and my civilized brain can muster one thing: put him down, go to the garage, and kick a garbage can. Otherwise I have this uncorked rage and I feel scared with it. I'm not proud of it but I ac…
It's ok to go kick a garbage can sometimes. Raising kids is hard enough without feeling bad for damaging garbage cans.
Pro-tip, though: don't kick walls. Broken toes suck.