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The force in London is pretty busy, by all accounts. This would definitely be one for the emergency number in smaller towns.
Agree, which is why I would have never used the emergency number. But I am sure a single patrol car passing by and telling them to move on would have been sufficient.
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Cities should of course be building airports outside of the city!
And they do, but of course cities expand. What might have been an airport in the middle of nowhere 30 years ago, might be a city airport nowadays.
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Even before this, researchers have noticed that a few people generate a disproportionate number of noise complaints (both links from 2016): US: https://www.mercatus.org/publications/airport-noise-nimbyism UK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37803205 (half of the around 25,000 complaints were made by 10 people) I wonder if these people are more susceptible to noise than others, or are simply more tolerant of / m…
On the disproportionate number of noise complaints from a few people: I've noticed in my own case that there was a huge bar to making my first noise complaint (I don't live under a flight path, but across from a beach park where people like to party after hours and blast loud music). The first few times I suffered through it. Eventually it was so bad, I went out at 3am to ask, politely, for them to keep it down (the…
I don't feel like any sane person can reason with drunk people (worse, teenagers) who are making noise at 2 am - except when they are your neighbors or you know them somehow.
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Your story is a great illustration of how accurate data can lead people to wrong conclusions. There’s no substitute for a qualitative understanding of the phenomenon being studied.
I’ve always preferred quantitative data, though the pros and cons of each were explained to me by a physicist who was hardly non-biased.
Now I work days, and multiple times per day and into the late night (stops around Midnight/1AM) there will be military training flights over my neighborhood. These are not high-altitude flyovers with some noise, these are young Air Force pilots in training flying over low, and sometimes breaking the sound barrier over my neighborhood (but at least high enough altitude that it's not breaking windows). I've adapted by basically shifting my sleep schedule so I go to bed around Midnight when it stops. What else can I do?
Short of using my personal connections locally to find out who their CO is and calling them on the phone directly, there is basically no process for me to complain. I'm also pretty certain that generating sonic booms over a neighborhood at night is probably against their training orders, and they'd get disciplined, but since I have no pathway to complain and it's something that could not reasonably be expected, I'm just stuck with it unless I want to move.
It's not a daily occurrence, but probably happens at least 3-4 times per week after 9PM.
There's a reason the pricing for homes is lower next to the airport or next to the Air Force base vs in my previously quiet neighborhood which is in a suburb more than 5 miles from both.
In the UK Gatwick and Heathrow airports have been there for a generation. By this I mean that the vast majority of people moved to their noise-affected houses knowing the airport was there already. Do these people deserve our sympathy? Initially i find it hard to be charitable towards them. In my local town there is a pub that has been there for around 600 years. A particularly pushy person moved in next door, compla…
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The solution is to stop flying so ridiculously often. It's getting entirely out of hand, and if we want to stop climate change, we need to FLY LESS.
That's as much of a "solution" as using teleporters is. It's unrealistic.
For a while, that was true.
Now 95% of my work is webex or hangouts or go2meeting, etc. If I need physical goods somewhere quickly then flying is a must, but doing business across the wire is much easier.
> "Users sign up via the Airnoise website. With a free account, users can file up to 15 complaints a month; for $5 a month, they can file unlimited complaints." Commercialized NIMBY, that's damn clever.
It's a bit of a Kamikaze effort, really. Enough NIMBY automation and future complaints will be as effective as no complaints at all.
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Yeah, the non-emergency number seems to be a placebo to me - I've never heard of anyone getting any results by ringing it. I'm sure things were better when one used to be able to ring the local station direct.
In Los Angeles I’ve used the non emergency line a bunch due to homeless individuals causing issues, and in every case I’ve had a cop come within the hour. I know because they always give me a ring when they are at the location to just walk through what I saw. My experience doesn’t seem to mirror everyone’s though in LA, so it may have just been the Wilshire division was all over it.
The current one has even had the temerity lately to outright deny that their public sector cuts, which include policing, are in any way related to the obvious rise in low-level crime and disorder here.
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The officials already made clear that passenger comfort isn’t a priority; they could have mandated that airlines install noise sensors and file monthly reports with their data, but instead they chose to require passengers to risk suffering and then have to file complaints to seek recompense for it.
Assuming you only read the title of the post I can understand your reply, but I would suggest a cursory glance at articles before replying. The noise complaints are coming from people under the flight path, not from within the cabin.
I miss the plane noise from my prior home. A bit odd to me that people object to it, so I’ll stay out of it.