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Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by sokoloff »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #129

Airports aren't going away. Engine makers aren't making them any quieter, laws of physics and time (airplanes in service for decades) Airplanes have to follow a certain path and certain procedures, for example they can't land like helicopters from 30,000 feet. So for the people that bought cheaper homes near an airports, it sucks, but get used to it (other than a rare case when the plane deviated from standard proced…

Engine makers have dramatically reduced engine noise and continue to do so. Some aircraft have “hush kits” developed and installed.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by [deleted] »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #80
cyberferret wrote: post #23

Just wondering if these devices are only issued to people who had houses in that area before the airport was built. IMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Modern aviation is already far quieter, and there are plenty of regulations in place to minimise the noise footprint (e.g. modern fanjet engines are far quieter than the older turbojets,…

> if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Honestly, this line really grinds my gears. Let me explain: First, people don't always know. Actually I think people frequently don't know. It's not like estate/rental agents are known for their outstanding honesty. Also remember that the loudness and frequency of air travel can change a lot . An airpla…

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Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by eponeponepon »

cm2187 wrote: post #157
Zanni wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the disproportionate number of noise complaints from a few people: I've noticed in my own case that there was a huge bar to making my first noise complaint (I don't live under a flight path, but across from a beach park where people like to party after hours and blast loud music). The first few times I suffered through it. Eventually it was so bad, I went out at 3am to ask, politely, for them to keep it down (the…

Funny I had the opposite experience in the UK (London). Some 50-ish cars doing a sort of illegal car tuning gathering under my windows in the middle of the night (midnight). It wasn't the first time and I knew it could last for a couple of hours. Making loud noise with their engines and sound systems. I first went to speak to them and asked them to move around (they were also obstructing the traffic). They just laugh…

Yeah, the non-emergency number seems to be a placebo to me - I've never heard of anyone getting any results by ringing it. I'm sure things were better when one used to be able to ring the local station direct.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by contravariant »

eganist wrote: post #24
darkpuma wrote: post #7

> "Users sign up via the Airnoise website. With a free account, users can file up to 15 complaints a month; for $5 a month, they can file unlimited complaints." Commercialized NIMBY, that's damn clever.

It's a bit of a Kamikaze effort, really. Enough NIMBY automation and future complaints will be as effective as no complaints at all.

Perhaps, although it's a bit odd to discount complaints simply because someone didn't go through another frustrating process to make the complaint.

Optimistically this might allow people to complain that otherwise wouldn't have bothered, and while it might be possible to explain away an increase in the number of complaints if it comes from a few people it becomes harder to ignore when these complaints come from a large group of people.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by rco8786 »

cyberferret wrote: post #23

Just wondering if these devices are only issued to people who had houses in that area before the airport was built. IMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Modern aviation is already far quieter, and there are plenty of regulations in place to minimise the noise footprint (e.g. modern fanjet engines are far quieter than the older turbojets,…

The article (sort of) addresses that. Apparently ATC has changed systems in the last few years resulting in a bunch of new flight paths near airports. So neighborhoods that were not affected by airplane noise say, 3 years ago, are now directly under a flight path.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by _archon_ »

I have just figured out the perfect IoT device to solve this problem:

Push a button when local infrastructure makes you angry. The device figures out your location from GPS and user input on setup. The device then searches for a local realtor, and sends them an email saying that the device's owner wants to move. The realtor handles it from there.

If flight paths are changing, the housing market will adjust. If you don't want to be subject to the vagaries of metropolitan infrastructure, buy land in the middle of nowhere.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by bhickey »

dragonwriter wrote: post #19
bhickey wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> One thing though is that the very ease diminishes how much attention the officials actually pay. The point isn't to get aviation officials to care. You want to build up a body of complaints to give your congressional rep something to make noise about. This has been an ongoing fight in Boston.

> You want to build up a body of complaints to give your congressional rep something to make noise about. Congressional reps tend to care more about evidence that either donors they rely on or voters in their district care enough to take substantive action than numerical volume of complaints or even substance of the complaints (ease of complaints degrades value more for Congressional reps than even for aviation offic…

The voters in their district are the people complaining. Boston Logan rerouted air traffic to climb out over the city rather than the harbor. This has led to long daylong stretches of overflights every 90 seconds. Katherine Clarke, Stephen Lynch and Mike Capuano have been beating a drum about this for the past two years. The point of generating complaints is to give them an artifact to wave at the FAA.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by eps »

rb666 wrote: post #151
Carpetsmoker wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Honestly, this line really grinds my gears. Let me explain: First, people don't always know. Actually I think people frequently don't know. It's not like estate/rental agents are known for their outstanding honesty. Also remember that the loudness and frequency of air travel can change a lot . An airpla…

The solution is to stop flying so ridiculously often. It's getting entirely out of hand, and if we want to stop climate change, we need to FLY LESS.

That's as much of a "solution" as using teleporters is. It's unrealistic.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by signal11 »

cm2187 wrote: post #157
Zanni wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the disproportionate number of noise complaints from a few people: I've noticed in my own case that there was a huge bar to making my first noise complaint (I don't live under a flight path, but across from a beach park where people like to party after hours and blast loud music). The first few times I suffered through it. Eventually it was so bad, I went out at 3am to ask, politely, for them to keep it down (the…

Funny I had the opposite experience in the UK (London). Some 50-ish cars doing a sort of illegal car tuning gathering under my windows in the middle of the night (midnight). It wasn't the first time and I knew it could last for a couple of hours. Making loud noise with their engines and sound systems. I first went to speak to them and asked them to move around (they were also obstructing the traffic). They just laugh…

The force in London is pretty busy, by all accounts. This would definitely be one for the emergency number in smaller towns.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by cm2187 »

signal11 wrote: post #179
cm2187 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny I had the opposite experience in the UK (London). Some 50-ish cars doing a sort of illegal car tuning gathering under my windows in the middle of the night (midnight). It wasn't the first time and I knew it could last for a couple of hours. Making loud noise with their engines and sound systems. I first went to speak to them and asked them to move around (they were also obstructing the traffic). They just laugh…

The force in London is pretty busy, by all accounts. This would definitely be one for the emergency number in smaller towns.

Agree, which is why I would have never used the emergency number. But I am sure a single patrol car passing by and telling them to move on would have been sufficient.
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