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Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by justinph » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 1:45 PM UTC

VBprogrammer wrote: post #162

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #80

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> if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Honestly, this line really grinds my gears. Let me explain: First, people don't always know. Actually I think people frequently don't know. It's not like estate/rental agents are known for their outstanding honesty. Also remember that the loudness and frequency of air travel can change a lot . An airpla…

People will also completely disregard the positive changes which have taken place over the same time frame though. Aircraft engines are substantially quieter (and less polluting) than they were 50 years ago. Aircraft have better performance and so climb away much faster. I live on the south side of Heathrow (which has east-west orientated runways). We only get a fraction of the departures anyway but of those only the…

They have the performance to climb faster if they wanted to, but they don't. They actually climb slower to save fuel. And the use of smaller aircraft means there are more of them, since they each carry less people, but there's more flying than ever. The result is lower noise level but much more frequent noise.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by Retric » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 1:50 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #165

chii wrote: post #126

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Not if they could put in good mass transit to and from the airport. Airports, like heavy industries, should be outside the city limits, away from populations.

By that logic, London should build their airport about 2 hours by train away from the city, because anything within <2h radius is still within highly populated zones.

2 hours by HSR is a very long way ~300 miles from London. In reality, 50 miles north east of London is farm land.

The core problem is when you build an airport you decrease the value of all nearby property. If people building airports directly compensated people say 50,000$ each property they would build airports in the middle of nowhere and opposition would likely be minimal. Instead people suddenly hate where their living but can’t afford to move.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by megakid » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 1:55 PM UTC

eponeponepon wrote: post #173

cm2187 wrote: post #157

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Funny I had the opposite experience in the UK (London). Some 50-ish cars doing a sort of illegal car tuning gathering under my windows in the middle of the night (midnight). It wasn't the first time and I knew it could last for a couple of hours. Making loud noise with their engines and sound systems. I first went to speak to them and asked them to move around (they were also obstructing the traffic). They just laugh…

Yeah, the non-emergency number seems to be a placebo to me - I've never heard of anyone getting any results by ringing it. I'm sure things were better when one used to be able to ring the local station direct.

100% this. We have had a spate of crime, muggings and drug-related issues around our area in the last 6 months or so, the local police & residents have met numerous times about it. Lots of words and "please call the non-emergency 101 number when you see these gatherings" - I then spent an entire HOUR on hold to the 101 before giving up. A couple were mugged later that evening by that very group...

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by de_watcher » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 1:59 PM UTC

tnolet wrote: post #148

Zanni wrote: post #82

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On the disproportionate number of noise complaints from a few people: I've noticed in my own case that there was a huge bar to making my first noise complaint (I don't live under a flight path, but across from a beach park where people like to party after hours and blast loud music). The first few times I suffered through it. Eventually it was so bad, I went out at 3am to ask, politely, for them to keep it down (the…

I heared that cops tend to respond very quickly and seriously to noise complaints as such situations have a tendency to get out of hand and turn into violence or worse.

Quick tip: one of simple ways of turning it into an out of hand situation is to go and try to solve the noise problem by yourself.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by gambiting » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 2:05 PM UTC

Retric wrote: post #182

gambiting wrote: post #165

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By that logic, London should build their airport about 2 hours by train away from the city, because anything within <2h radius is still within highly populated zones.

2 hours by HSR is a very long way ~300 miles from London. In reality, 50 miles north east of London is farm land. The core problem is when you build an airport you decrease the value of all nearby property. If people building airports directly compensated people say 50,000$ each property they would build airports in the middle of nowhere and opposition would likely be minimal. Instead people suddenly hate where their…

Not everything is connected by HSR. Getting from Heathrow to city centre can take ~1.5h on public transport, and that's like ~15 miles in straight line.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by Retric » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 2:15 PM UTC

gambiting wrote: post #185

Retric wrote: post #182

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2 hours by HSR is a very long way ~300 miles from London. In reality, 50 miles north east of London is farm land. The core problem is when you build an airport you decrease the value of all nearby property. If people building airports directly compensated people say 50,000$ each property they would build airports in the middle of nowhere and opposition would likely be minimal. Instead people suddenly hate where their…

Not everything is connected by HSR. Getting from Heathrow to city centre can take ~1.5h on public transport, and that's like ~15 miles in straight line.

If you're building an airport you can presumably also build other infrastructure. I am not saying it needs to be reach it in 20 minutes via HSR, just that distance is not the problem infrastructure is.

Dulles airport was built 30 miles from DC in what was the middle of nowhere at the time even though DC already had an airport. "In 1965 Dulles averaged 89 airline operations a day while National Airport (now Reagan) averaged 600 despite not allowing jets." Dulles still does not have a subway link to DC, and it's not the closest airport yet it still sees 21 million passengers a year.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by sitkack » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 2:17 PM UTC

askvictor wrote: post #27

Where can hobbyists purchase hackable/programmable internet buttons such as this for a reasonable price? I've seen a few around the place but the costs are exorbitant for what they are, and hacking the Amazon buttons is too much effort (and they're hard to get outside the US)

esp32 + button + lipo ~= [9,15]

Nice thing is you could easily have multiple buttons and lights for feedback.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by diogenescynic » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 2:17 PM UTC

Someone should do the same thing for filing complaints about homeless camps in San Francisco.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by mattmanser » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 2:30 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #157

Zanni wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the disproportionate number of noise complaints from a few people: I've noticed in my own case that there was a huge bar to making my first noise complaint (I don't live under a flight path, but across from a beach park where people like to party after hours and blast loud music). The first few times I suffered through it. Eventually it was so bad, I went out at 3am to ask, politely, for them to keep it down (the…

Funny I had the opposite experience in the UK (London). Some 50-ish cars doing a sort of illegal car tuning gathering under my windows in the middle of the night (midnight). It wasn't the first time and I knew it could last for a couple of hours. Making loud noise with their engines and sound systems. I first went to speak to them and asked them to move around (they were also obstructing the traffic). They just laugh…

In the UK noise is the purview of councils, not the police.

The police only get involved if it's coupled with other behaviour like threats of violence.

If it's happening regularly you're probably better off going to your local councillor. Also your local area liaison police officer. Even better if you get a few of your neighbours involved.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Post by blunte » Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 2:32 PM UTC

onetimemanytime wrote: post #131

blunte wrote: post #97

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Loudness of aircraft nearby can vary greatly due to weather conditions. It is quite possible that a location (near an airport) can be relatively quiet one season and very loud another. And if you go home shopping during the quiet period, you may not realize just what you're in for a few months later.

>> Loudness of aircraft nearby can vary greatly due to weather conditions. So what the Gov to do, ground all air traffic in certain weather conditions? Air travel is a fact of life and planes must land in airports.

You may have read more into my comment than I wrote. I merely explained how a home buyer might reasonably underestimate the noise when agreeing to buy a house near an airport.