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At some point, someone is just going to hook up a decibel meter and automatically press the button when it hits a threshold. It might file a couple of bad complaints, but if the noise difference is significant, you could definitely increase your throughput.
Just wondering if these devices are only issued to people who had houses in that area before the airport was built. IMO if you knowingly purchase a residence under a flight path, you lose any privilege of complaining about the noise. Modern aviation is already far quieter, and there are plenty of regulations in place to minimise the noise footprint (e.g. modern fanjet engines are far quieter than the older turbojets,…
If you read the article you would have learned that this became a problem in the last 10 years because the FAA rolled out a new system for managing flight paths so a lot of new homes were now experiencing aircraft noise for the first time.
In the UK Gatwick and Heathrow airports have been there for a generation. By this I mean that the vast majority of people moved to their noise-affected houses knowing the airport was there already. Do these people deserve our sympathy? Initially i find it hard to be charitable towards them. In my local town there is a pub that has been there for around 600 years. A particularly pushy person moved in next door, compla…
So, perhaps they deserve some sympathy for the reduction in their quality of life and in the value of their homes?
If you had something like concrete walls like is typical for Germany, the plane noise would barely register.
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If you read the article you would have learned that this became a problem in the last 10 years because the FAA rolled out a new system for managing flight paths so a lot of new homes were now experiencing aircraft noise for the first time.
That doesn't answer his question. So the changed flight paths 10 years ago.. are they giving these buttons to people who moved under these 'new' flight paths a year ago?
Also, I was responding to him saying that he didn't think people should have a right to complain if they knowingly bought a house under a flight path. I'm saying that of the people they are quoting in the article, it sounds like many of them have owned the same house for a long while and their problems with aircraft noise are only because of the FAA changing flight paths.
> "Users sign up via the Airnoise website. With a free account, users can file up to 15 complaints a month; for $5 a month, they can file unlimited complaints." Commercialized NIMBY, that's damn clever.
It's a bit of a Kamikaze effort, really. Enough NIMBY automation and future complaints will be as effective as no complaints at all.
US: https://www.mercatus.org/publications/airport-noise-nimbyism
UK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-37803205 (half of the around 25,000 complaints were made by 10 people)
I wonder if these people are more susceptible to noise than others, or are simply more tolerant of / more incentivized to navigating bureaucracy to file complaints.
Either way, it'll be interesting to see how a "dash buttons" approach to filing complaints affects these numbers.
Not that there's anything wrong with reporting on the same topic by multiple publications, but this article just seems like a poor copy of this WSJ article published in August: https://www.wsj.com/articles/airplane-noise-complaints-are-s... https://outline.com/Kp3HcG Out of curiosity, are there journalistic guidelines about publishing duplicate articles when there are seemingly no new pertinent developments? I haven'…
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It's commercialized equal protection under law.
Has there ever been any other sort of equal protection? (Serious question.)
A small part of my job (air force) is taking noise complaints. I find their rate has absolutely nothing to do with actual noise. It is all about time of day. A rainy tuesday afternoon: we can land on a roof without complaint from the owners. But on a sunny saturday evening, suddenly the same flight pattern we have flown for years without issue starts my phone ringing. Standard, honest, responses: 1) Civilian air traf…
A rainy tuesday afternoon: we can land on a roof without complaint from the owners. But on a sunny saturday evening, suddenly the same flight pattern we have flown for years without issue starts my phone ringing This isn't surprising - sound propagation is partially dependent on atmospheric conditions.
In the UK Gatwick and Heathrow airports have been there for a generation. By this I mean that the vast majority of people moved to their noise-affected houses knowing the airport was there already. Do these people deserve our sympathy? Initially i find it hard to be charitable towards them. In my local town there is a pub that has been there for around 600 years. A particularly pushy person moved in next door, compla…
In the airport case, the noise makes everyone's life worse. As for "you knew it when you bought," air traffic might have increased over the years, you might not have realized how bad it was going to be, etc. Sympathy here seems reasonable.