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Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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post #7

> "Users sign up via the Airnoise website. With a free account, users can file up to 15 complaints a month; for $5 a month, they can file unlimited complaints." Commercialized NIMBY, that's damn clever.

It's commercialized equal protection under law.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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>That’s because with one click, Deckert has done what could have taken her hours to do a few months ago — she has filed a noise complaint with officials at the Maryland Aviation Administration. One thing though is that the very ease diminishes how much attention the officials actually pay. Same as when you contact your officials, a hand written letter or phone call is much more effective than an email template or a r…

The amount of data it collects and files hopefully makes it harder to dismiss. It is using the same ADS-B data as flightradar and similar sites, so it's able to report detailed information- exact time, what aircraft passed overhead, how far away, what altitude and ground speed. At a lot of airports, there are requirements for climb-out paths (in terms of position and altitude) for noise abatement, and if operators aren't observing existing rules, these detailed reports can have a lot of force.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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I used to live directly west of DFW (Euless). I heard the jets maybe 3 or 4 times from inside my apartment; I heard them much more often outside, but it was never disturbing to the point I would have complained.

Two things help DFW: 1. It has a huge amount of land. 2. The main landing/takeoff pattern is North/South and there are roads and businesses to the North and South and not houses.

Now I live right near the landing pattern of ABIA - Austin, but way north. The only thing that bugs me is that the planes directly overfly the office and I've watched too many crash videos. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLPA0Dhi1VXQDGbkXwjDUzQ/vid...

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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It's a neat idea, but it's not clear from the article what these complaints accomplish. Are the airport administrators held accountable in any way? Are they required to respond to the complaints? Maintain a low threshold? It seems like this could just be a placebo button.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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post #11
post #7

> "Users sign up via the Airnoise website. With a free account, users can file up to 15 complaints a month; for $5 a month, they can file unlimited complaints." Commercialized NIMBY, that's damn clever.

It's commercialized equal protection under law.

Has there ever been any other sort of equal protection? (Serious question.)

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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In San Diego the airport is right downtown. Many people are pretty much gauranteed to be dealing with airplane noise regardless of the routes taken to land.

Of course La Jolla is probably the most expensive area in San Diego. Should we route the airplanes around them? Lol.

I mean you can't move the airports and most people can't move their houses so it feels like this is mostly a structural issue. And to me more direct routing based on satellites seems safer than radar based.

I think the buttons are a great idea though. Hopefully they will make buttons for more practical complaints like muggings or burglary. Or just fix reporting processes to be more efficient in the first place. Although that may not be the best example because if you need a button to press everytime you get robbed you probably need to just move to a better neighborhood.

I feel like this demonstrates the gap between where technology is and where government is.

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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post #8

>That’s because with one click, Deckert has done what could have taken her hours to do a few months ago — she has filed a noise complaint with officials at the Maryland Aviation Administration. One thing though is that the very ease diminishes how much attention the officials actually pay. Same as when you contact your officials, a hand written letter or phone call is much more effective than an email template or a r…

> One thing though is that the very ease diminishes how much attention the officials actually pay. The point isn't to get aviation officials to care. You want to build up a body of complaints to give your congressional rep something to make noise about. This has been an ongoing fight in Boston.

> You want to build up a body of complaints to give your congressional rep something to make noise about.

Congressional reps tend to care more about evidence that either donors they rely on or voters in their district care enough to take substantive action than numerical volume of complaints or even substance of the complaints (ease of complaints degrades value more for Congressional reps than even for aviation officials, as the latter are more likely to have some concern for the subject matter and rather than merely the political calculus.)

Re: Button offers instant gratification for those plagued by airplane noise

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>That’s because with one click, Deckert has done what could have taken her hours to do a few months ago — she has filed a noise complaint with officials at the Maryland Aviation Administration. One thing though is that the very ease diminishes how much attention the officials actually pay. Same as when you contact your officials, a hand written letter or phone call is much more effective than an email template or a r…

Right, they're just going to filter that stuff out as noise. If not today very soon. Unless actual means are taken to address the issues and the nature of the complaints changes/abates. Sorta like having overly verbose log messages replete with far too many warnings no one addresses, it becomes less useful as a tool.

”It’s highly, highly therapeutic. It makes you feel like you can make a difference.”

And that's the business model for something like this in a nutshell.

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