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Re: Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla

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Zanni wrote: post #34
throwaway98121 wrote: post #3

We sold our vehicle because the monthly payment, insurance, gasoline, and parking costs were adding up to about $1000 a month. I planned on downgrading from an Infiniti to a 3 year old Honda Civic or Fit. I visited three dealerships in my area. The experience was horrible at all three. I consider myself a decent person, but I now judge people who work in car sales or car sales management and not in a good way. Anyway…

For those that haven't had the Tesla experience, it's a refreshing change of pace. They don't have dealerships, only showrooms and service centers. You can schedule a test drive at a showroom (or online), and your rep will be happy to help you configure your car right there if you decide to buy, but you can also go home and leisurely plan your configuration over the internet. You can see the price of every option bef…

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Re: Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla

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Raphmedia wrote: post #27
clircle wrote: post #13

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Can you elaborate on your horrible experience? I bought a new car for the first time this year. I went to the Toyota dealer with my wife, we drove three cars, and decided the Corolla iM would be enough for 95% of our needs. We came back the next day and filled out all the paper work. Of course, they did try to get us to buy a bunch of pointles s addons and insurances, so it was annoying to have to say "No" over and o…

Bait & switch and fake feeling of emergency are the most common I've seen. "Hurry, if you don't close the sale now on this vehicle it won't be there tomorrow." ... "Oh, the vehicle you called for? Sorry we just sold the last, we only have the model with X and Y options right now. We could order the one you wanted but it won't be there until next month. Don't worry, I'll make you a deal, it will only cost you [origina…

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Re: Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla

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jaimex2 wrote: post #5
rmason wrote: post #2

Michigan legislators waited until 2 am to pass a controversial law not allowing Tesla to setup showrooms in the state. The state's car dealership organization and General Motors spent big money to make this happen. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15360613/unplugged-michig... Tesla already has a tool and die operation in Grand Rapids. They've even expressed interest in acquiring a closed GM plant in Detroit yet the…

If that isn't corruption I don't know what is.

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Re: Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla

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Post by sytelus »

throwaway98121 wrote: post #3

We sold our vehicle because the monthly payment, insurance, gasoline, and parking costs were adding up to about $1000 a month. I planned on downgrading from an Infiniti to a 3 year old Honda Civic or Fit. I visited three dealerships in my area. The experience was horrible at all three. I consider myself a decent person, but I now judge people who work in car sales or car sales management and not in a good way. Anyway…

Just bought new Honda from the least known shady dealer in the town and even they were so crooked. They added in Karr Security Alarm for $999. It's like buying PC with malware. Then they tried to push paint protector for another $400. Again complete scam. As I refused all these, their finance guy tried to push Century Automotive Services after-market service contract for $2400. Again complete waste.

I told them I don't mind paying money but at very least they should be giving something actually useful like tinted window or Satellite radio. They guy starred at me with blank.

It is mind boggling that even mega brands like Honda are not able to tame these snake oil salesman. Honda literally gives away monopoly over entire region to them. Can't they simply require them not to engage in these practices? Why is this so hard?

Re: Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla

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Post by Jarbooski »

vvanders wrote: post #99
Jarbooski wrote: post #94

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Buyers are literally warning each other to look for specific things that should be caught by QA, because if you leave the lot, Tesla won't fix it. This isn't "make sure there are no marks!", it's "make sure all the bolts are there!". Unheard of. Again, look for yourself, the information is public.

Huh. Not my experience at all. Had a loose headboard near the sunroof. Had an appt and fixed inside of a week. I'm sure there's outliers as there would be with any high volume product but I find it suspect that these type of things wouldn't get sorted out in warranty. For what it's worth I've seen much worse. Our last tractor we bought didn't have a driveshaft connected(!) so 4WD was kaput. Once that was sorted someo…

I'm sure experiences are all over, I agree.

But again, this thread stems from the OP's vitriol towards dealers, and implication that Tesla has solved that. They certainly have not.

Re: Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla

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Post by dkhenry »

CydeWeys wrote: post #92
dkhenry wrote: post #72

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The top selling automobile in America (Ford F150), has a base price of 43k. The Second best selling automobile ( Chevy Silverado ) is at 42k. In total the Average sale price of an automobile in America is 34k Tesla is still above that, but not by much. I think people discount how much all those trucks and SUV's they see rolling around cost.

The F-150 has a base price of $28k. The Chevy Silverado also has a base price of $28k. Those are MSRPs, so you can get them cheaper with bargaining, though of course the average person ends up paying more because they're adding on options. I have no idea where you're getting those $43k figures from??

The average person ends up paying a lot more. Here is where I got my data from

Ford F150 - https://www.truecar.com/prices-new/ford/f-150-pricing/

Chevy Silverado - https://www.truecar.com/prices-new/chevrolet/silverado-1500-...

Thats the actual average paid.

Re: Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla

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Post by dkhenry »

linksnapzz wrote: post #89
dkhenry wrote: post #72

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The top selling automobile in America (Ford F150), has a base price of 43k. The Second best selling automobile ( Chevy Silverado ) is at 42k. In total the Average sale price of an automobile in America is 34k Tesla is still above that, but not by much. I think people discount how much all those trucks and SUV's they see rolling around cost.

~42K for a base domestic pickup might be MSRP. The actual transaction price is much, much less.

That is the actual transaction cost. The MSRP is lower for base model's but most cars sold are not base models.

Re: Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla

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Post by ghaff »

mikeash wrote: post #93
pkaye wrote: post #83

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Isn't this the same for Tesla? You have to accept tesla's quote with no negotiation?

It’s different because with Tesla you can’t negotiate. The price is the price, take it or leave it. With a traditional dealership, you can refrain from negotiating, but then you’re leaving money on the table, potentially thousands of dollars.

There are "no haggle" dealers though and there have been brands over the years that were no haggle. But it has to pretty much be at the brand level at least or the process doesn't work in the consumer's favor. And that doesn't even account for financing and trade-ins.

However, especially as you get to luxury brands and buyers aren't trying to get to minimal prices, I expect the "dealer experience" gets better.

Re: Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla

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Post by lloydde »

Jarbooski wrote: post #95
lloydde wrote: post #75

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Common in my experience receiving goods on delivery. Take your time. They understand.

Your anecdote differs from what I read on the Tesla forums and Twitter, where pepe are being rushed to sign. Go see for yourself, there are many posts. Big oil conspiracy?

Sorry, I have no experience with Tesla. I see what you mean on the forums. That is indeed very poor and contrary to inspection on delivery practices.

Re: Detroit News Vehicle of the Year is a Tesla

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Post by ams6110 »

sytelus wrote: post #104
throwaway98121 wrote: post #3

We sold our vehicle because the monthly payment, insurance, gasoline, and parking costs were adding up to about $1000 a month. I planned on downgrading from an Infiniti to a 3 year old Honda Civic or Fit. I visited three dealerships in my area. The experience was horrible at all three. I consider myself a decent person, but I now judge people who work in car sales or car sales management and not in a good way. Anyway…

Just bought new Honda from the least known shady dealer in the town and even they were so crooked. They added in Karr Security Alarm for $999. It's like buying PC with malware. Then they tried to push paint protector for another $400. Again complete scam. As I refused all these, their finance guy tried to push Century Automotive Services after-market service contract for $2400. Again complete waste. I told them I don…

Those aftermarket warrantees and add ons are nearly pure profit. That's why they push them. They probably make more selling the warranty than they do selling the car itself.
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