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Industry pushes sugary products, while obfuscating the health hazards

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Re: Industry pushes sugary products, while obfuscating the health hazards

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Sugar, all by itself is bad (awful bad), but when you add "Red 40" to the mix children go into instant hyperactive-overdrive. They start bouncing off the walls and you might as well be feeding them crack cocaine. I spent a total of 24 days watching our grandkids this year and everyone of them was a battle over what they'd eat. I could not get the oldest (11 years old now) to take a single bite of real food during the…

As a general response, I'm highly suspicious of anyone denying these connections as being someone who's spent very little time with children. Anyone who cites an article to back up their opinion is especially suspect.

Now in case I'm wrong, let's have all the moms who've chimed in here please raise your hands...

Re: Industry pushes sugary products, while obfuscating the health hazards

#102
post #88

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There is no good/conclusive evidence that Red 40 and other food dyes affect hyperactivity.

Same with sugar for that matter. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199402033300501#t=... And, yeah, if you give an 11 year old the choice between vegetables and junk food that'll pick junk food, news at 11!

That link cites a study from 1994.

Re: Industry pushes sugary products, while obfuscating the health hazards

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post #36

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That sounds like poor parenting more than anything else. Also, the "sugar -> hyperactive ADHD kids!" thing is a myth.

It is no doubt poor parenting. And no, sugar does make kids hyperactive. You really only have to spend time with them to know this. Anyone who says otherwise hasn't.

Actually, sugar does not cause hyperactivity in children. As soon as you double-blind the people evaluating the children's activity levels, no one can tell which children had sugar.

Here are some links to the research:

https://www.webmd.com/parenting/features/busting-sugar-hyper...

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/uncategorized/myth-too-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_misconceptions#...

The reason most people have this misconception is confirmation bias. Children are almost always eating sugar, and almost always "hyperactive".

If you still don't believe me, (I'm sure _your_ children are different), do your own study. It would be a fun thing to do with your children, and very easy. It's very important that make it double blinded: https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-double-blind-study-27...

If you're right and your study shows it, you'll overturn a 30 year scientific consensus, and probably become internationally famous.

Re: Industry pushes sugary products, while obfuscating the health hazards

#104
post #5

It's mind boggling how much sugar is in everything. Just looked at my girlfriend's Starbucks Chai tea container. 100g sugar! She would be better off drinking a bottle of Coke. And Starbucks are supposed to be good guys . On a related note: how do they get that much sugar into these drinks? If I made a liter of Chai tea and poured 100g sugar into it I don't think it would be drinkable.

I always assumed after Austin Powers depicted Starbucks as the base of Dr Evil's empire that it was, in fact, at least slightly sketchy. I can't say I have any other sources to back that up though, except for what you just said.

Re: Industry pushes sugary products, while obfuscating the health hazards

#105
post #29

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Can’t be Germany, natural yoghurt is commonly available here. And yes, US makes it very difficult to buy healthy food.

its Amazing how much less sugar common foods in Germany have than the USA. It took us a bit to adjust but when we got back all the bakery sweets here tasted disgusting. Wish we could change the culture here to be closer to European in that aspect.

>"its Amazing how much less sugar common foods in Germany have than the USA"

This news article from 2015 states that Germany is second to the US in sugar consumption. The data comes from market research company Euromonitor:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/05/where...

A more recent published report (some of which uses 2008 data) looks at the consumption of "ultra-processed" foods in Europe. "Ultra-processed" refers to food made in a factory with industrial ingredients and additives invented by food technologists.

Which countries in Europe consume "ultra-processed" food more than any other? The top three are: UK, Ireland and Germany:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/02/ultra-proces...

Re: Industry pushes sugary products, while obfuscating the health hazards

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post #96
post #27

Sugar, all by itself is bad (awful bad), but when you add "Red 40" to the mix children go into instant hyperactive-overdrive. They start bouncing off the walls and you might as well be feeding them crack cocaine. I spent a total of 24 days watching our grandkids this year and everyone of them was a battle over what they'd eat. I could not get the oldest (11 years old now) to take a single bite of real food during the…

Ok, caffeine is not the culprit. Red 40 has a very easy to see in real life cause and effect. It's possible it doesn't affect all kids, but I've seen it way too many times to deny it. If you've not actually taken the time to observe it yourself you really are clueless as to cause and effect, and I don't care what the "studies" say. If you read even the title of this article you'd know why.

I don't want to believe real data, I will keep my prejudices.

Is like that how it works?

Re: Industry pushes sugary products, while obfuscating the health hazards

#107
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>It's misleading to talk about sugar when the problem is obesity. Really because plenty of skinny people have type 2 and plenty of obese people do not have type 2...but everyone who has type 2 has overconsumed sugar that is regulated in the blood by insulin and their bodies has stopped responding to insulin and most who have type 2 can reverse it by cutting out sugar consumption that requires insulin and making other…

I don't know enough about diabetes to conclusively respond one way or another, but my understanding is that while being diabetic means that overconsuming sugar will be bad because your body can't regulate blood sugar, a non-diabetic person consuming copious amounts of sugar will not directly cause them to develop diabetes. Re your first sentence, plenty of smokers don't have cancer while plenty of nonsmokers do. Ever…

>but my understanding is that while being diabetic means that overconsuming sugar will be bad because your body can't regulate blood sugar, a non-diabetic person consuming copious amounts of sugar will not directly cause them to develop diabetes.

Again that’s the industry playing words games and being disingenuous.

There are sugars that are processed by the liver and then sugar that can’t be processed by the liver, which are released into the blood triggering an insulin response. That distinction in sugars like the type1/type2 distinction allows the industry to make broad claims to muddy the waters.

Sure if you only consumer sugars processed in the liver you won’t develop type 2 (of course you will likely have non alcoholic fatty liver disease). On the other hand the sugar that is released into the blood triggering insulin is the sugar that if removed from diet can prevent 100% of type 2 diabeties.

Your observation that people who don’t smoke still get cancer is obviously true, but on the flip people who do not consume sugars that cause insulin spikes will not develop type 2. So now Imagine if preventing cancer were as simple as saying if you stop consuming x you will not develop cancer, but a bunch of FUD saying x doesn’t cause cancer (that may be technically correct but the much larger issue is don’t consume x and you won’t develop y). I’m all for the progress of science and all for the continued study, in the meantime though if we want people (especially children) to stop getting y they should immediately stop consuming x, until science provides further insight allow the consumption of x without getting y.

Re: Industry pushes sugary products, while obfuscating the health hazards

#108
post #96

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Ok, caffeine is not the culprit. Red 40 has a very easy to see in real life cause and effect. It's possible it doesn't affect all kids, but I've seen it way too many times to deny it. If you've not actually taken the time to observe it yourself you really are clueless as to cause and effect, and I don't care what the "studies" say. If you read even the title of this article you'd know why.

I don't want to believe real data, I will keep my prejudices. Is like that how it works?

No, how it works is raising children and observing the real cause and effect and comparing it with others who've raised children.

That is "real data".

How many have you raised?

Re: Industry pushes sugary products, while obfuscating the health hazards

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post #101
post #27

Sugar, all by itself is bad (awful bad), but when you add "Red 40" to the mix children go into instant hyperactive-overdrive. They start bouncing off the walls and you might as well be feeding them crack cocaine. I spent a total of 24 days watching our grandkids this year and everyone of them was a battle over what they'd eat. I could not get the oldest (11 years old now) to take a single bite of real food during the…

As a general response, I'm highly suspicious of anyone denying these connections as being someone who's spent very little time with children. Anyone who cites an article to back up their opinion is especially suspect. Now in case I'm wrong, let's have all the moms who've chimed in here please raise your hands...

Yep... just as I suspected...nothing but crickets.

Re: Industry pushes sugary products, while obfuscating the health hazards

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Are you sure that's adjusted for serving size?

Does the US not have a section telling you the nutritional content per-100g (or 100mL or whatever "standard" measurement you folks have) so you can compare products? Or is everything given in serving sizes (which can be arbitrarily chosen by the producer)?

55g of sugar per 100ml of product would be insane. Coca Cola has about 10-12g per 100ml. Starbucks Mulled Fruit Drink (widely reported in the UK as a very sugary drink) has about 14g per 100ml.
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