Apple needs to change iPhone’s call UI because robocalls are killing us

Post by grecy » Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 12:09 PM UTC

lsc wrote: post #225

grecy wrote: post #212

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There are so many simple solutions to this it's not even a challenge. Here's some simple ones: 1. If you want to make more than ~5k calls per month from a number, you must deposit $50,000 for every 10k calls you wish to make. If your number gets reported more than some cutoff number of times, you forfeit this bond money. 2. Call throttling. As a certain number (or customer) makes more calls, the interval between call…

The problem with both those suggestions is that it's trivial to fake the "from" phone number, as evidenced by the number of spam calls that share my area code and exchange numbers. (Last time I setup asterisk with a T1, this was also trivial, but that was like a decade and a half back. I couldn't tell you how to fake your number today.. it's just clear that it's easy for the scammers to do.) The first problem we need…

Post by gambiting » Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 12:12 PM UTC

rb666 wrote: post #250

In The Netherlands we have a "no-call register" for companies ( https://business.gov.nl/regulation/telesales/#article-do-not... ) I never get robocalls. It's nice to live in a country that believes in smart regulation!

Post by hu3 » Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 12:45 PM UTC

spenvo wrote: post #79

jchw wrote: post #60

Fwiw, Android actually does do this. When the phone is unlocked, calls show up as a banner. In addition, they added that new call screening option, I've been using it and so far it has worked fairly well. Also, there is some built-in call filtering and third party apps as well, though I have mostly been able to rely on the built-in filtering. Does iOS really not have any options for filtering? I swear last time I had…

Excellent, I'll add this to the article. No idea why my post went from #1 on HN to the third page in under 30 minutes, I thought we were having a fruitful discussion here

Post by narrowingorbits » Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 2:18 PM UTC

rb666 wrote: post #250

In The Netherlands we have a "no-call register" for companies ( https://business.gov.nl/regulation/telesales/#article-do-not... ) I never get robocalls. It's nice to live in a country that believes in smart regulation!

Post by amluto » Thu, Dec 27, 2018, 3:10 PM UTC

abakker wrote: post #188

amluto wrote: post #108

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I prefer an economic solution. Currently, you can sue a robocaller under the TCPA, but good luck collecting. Make each carrier liable for judgments against robocallers routed through their network. So, if I sue John Doe for robocalling me and I can’t collect, and I’m a Verizon customer, the make Verizon liable for those damages. This should come with some limits, but they should be large (say 10% of nationwide annual…

i bet that instead, you'd just get a new contract in which verizon decided that it was only free to talk to other verizon numbers, and would require you to pay extra to call outside the network. Then, they'd ask you to provide a birth certificate, SSN, CC number, and pay via direct deposit to have an account. if you want to penalize rob dialers, don't penalize companies that are not robodialing, or push the burden of…