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Why is that so absurd? They have a strong left-wing viewpoint, heavy on solidarity and anti-capitalist/anti-fascist thought. I see no racism not calling for enforced monogamy or the taking of rights away from trans people or minorities, or anything of the sort.

I see abundant racism and sexism on patreon of the kind popular of the American left.

Let me rephrase that: You see a lot of calling-out of reprehensible behavior perpetrated by white men.

That's a good thing, that kind of stuff should be called out.

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https://www.patreon.com/intlantifadefence https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/worl... https://www.patreon.com/chapotraphouse https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse/comments/9k14nf/why_... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_violence

lol

I'm not sure I understand what is funny here. Could you explain it?

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To anybody doubting the absurdity we're talking about here: These people ( https://twitter.com/RevLeftRadio ) still have an active patreon.

Why is that so absurd? They have a strong left-wing viewpoint, heavy on solidarity and anti-capitalist/anti-fascist thought. I see no racism not calling for enforced monogamy or the taking of rights away from trans people or minorities, or anything of the sort.

Well aside from implying that they want people to become violent: https://twitter.com/RevLeftRadio/status/909456034527371264

They also openly call for violence, including executions, of people that they don't like (although those tweets seem to have been deleted now): https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2018/12/13/patreon-al...

(Please excuse that source, like I said they have deleted the most offensive tweets recently. Originally this was part of a discussion surrounding Sam Harris leaving patreon, which is where I read about it.)

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I see abundant racism and sexism on patreon of the kind popular of the American left.

Let me rephrase that: You see a lot of calling-out of reprehensible behavior perpetrated by white men. That's a good thing, that kind of stuff should be called out.

There is no excuse for leftist racism, sexism and anti semitism.

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Man stifling people who think “the wrong way” is pretty horrifying to me at the moment. I’ve largely separated myself from leftist ideals in the last couple years because, with very little hyperbole, I’ve noticed that the time to be labeled a racist or Hitler is way the hell too small. Don’t get me wrong - racists are not something I tolerate in my personal life. Not at all. There’s no need for that kind of crap in o…

"What if we just oppress and persecute minorities a little bit?" is not a valid argument. The truth isn't in the middle, as centrists hopelessly seem to believe. If you want to fight corporate control over speech, you have to fight against capitalism.

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It just doesn't make sense for patreon to care about whether this outrage is contrived or not, any negative publicity over their customers could hurt their margins a lot. Payment processing is hard. I'm not saying it should be so, but Patreon isn't to blame for that.

More than what the outrage over the censorship of other viewpoints are? To me what they are doing seems more like an act of faith in social justice that is most likely really bad for their business

I rather doubt that outrage over Patreon banning users to keep their payment processors happy would hurt their relationship with said payment processors.

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Let me set the record straight so you don’t have to guess about whether I’m conflating far left and center left: 1. I’m a moderate liberal by every measure. 2. I don’t view CNN as far left; while it is shamefully partisan, no more so than Fox News. 3. I don’t want the government to censor anyone, I’m more or less a free speech absolutist. 4. I don’t think tech companies in general are far-left; only that a handful ap…

Then why did you originally claim it was dominating universities, tech companies, and the newsroom? Those things are maybe left of center under some metrics, but not far left, and certainly not extremely far left, so why claim that? Again, if you're now going to claim that the people like Sargon and Milo and co being censored are moderate liberals, I'm gonna say that you're just patently incorrect, and your left-righ…

“The far left dominates universities, newsrooms, and tech companies” meant that these three categories of organizations are more likely to push a far left agenda. It doesn’t mean the organizations themselves are completely or even majority far-left. It also doesn’t mean every organization in the category behaves this way. It only means the power balance leans far left.

As for why “far left” and not “moderate left”—because moderate leftists don’t have the authoritarian bent that we see from these organizations. They don’t seek to suppress moderate voices.

I don’t know much about Sargon, but nothing on his wiki page seems to suggest he is far right, and I never claimed Milo was a moderate anything. You keep throwing out these straw men as though you’re desperate to have a very particular argument when it seems like you and I likely agree on quite a lot...

RE Fox vs CNN, I don’t follow your point. They’re both patently moderate organizations; seems like you’re conflating partisanship with extremism and your sense of partisanship is based on two data points. In any case, I’m not interested in splitting hairs between Fox and CNN so long as we can agree that neither is extreme-anything (and if we can’t then you’re too far off the reservation to have a productive conversation with).

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Let me set the record straight so you don’t have to guess about whether I’m conflating far left and center left: 1. I’m a moderate liberal by every measure. 2. I don’t view CNN as far left; while it is shamefully partisan, no more so than Fox News. 3. I don’t want the government to censor anyone, I’m more or less a free speech absolutist. 4. I don’t think tech companies in general are far-left; only that a handful ap…

A small intervention: to my (western) European eyes saying that CNN is far left or even saying that far left exists in the USA is a fascist affirmation... That's to add a different "relative" measure. Apart of that far left and far right are essentially the SAME, their "lower labor force" are fanatic people used as a weapon/Ford models workers by the very same "sponsors" who want dictatorship instead of free society.…

Yes, these political descriptors have different meanings in the US compared to Europe.

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Then why did you originally claim it was dominating universities, tech companies, and the newsroom? Those things are maybe left of center under some metrics, but not far left, and certainly not extremely far left, so why claim that? Again, if you're now going to claim that the people like Sargon and Milo and co being censored are moderate liberals, I'm gonna say that you're just patently incorrect, and your left-righ…

“The far left dominates universities, newsrooms, and tech companies” meant that these three categories of organizations are more likely to push a far left agenda. It doesn’t mean the organizations themselves are completely or even majority far-left. It also doesn’t mean every organization in the category behaves this way. It only means the power balance leans far left. As for why “far left” and not “moderate left”—be…

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Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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You are free to transfer bitcoins to anyone, maybe (provided you don't lose your wallet). But once you want to convert BTC to USD, you'd still have to play by the rules set by the banking system. Maybe you could slip under the radar if you deal with small amounts, but once it is serious, there would be checks you'd have to pass.

That's a really good point, agreed. It seems like, however, you will be more subject to taxation issues (Coinbase is likely going to report big transactions to the government) than to arbitrary evaluations (that lead to frozen accounts) made by payment processors. Put another way, I think it will be relatively easy to do something like Patreon in cryptocurrency. Ingress will be simple. Converting that into a fiat cur…

> It seems like, however, you will be more subject to taxation issues (Coinbase is likely going to report big transactions to the government) than to arbitrary evaluations (that lead to frozen accounts) made by payment processors.

Definitely both. Banks have tons of "know your client" requirements. And in most cases, you wouldn't be large enough client so they'd bother to even call you before freezing your account on slightest suspicion.

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