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Re: Chinese may take over Mombasa port: Ouko

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Post by AaronFriel »

raprp wrote: post #87
kolikotime wrote: post #63

West African American here (Ghanaian - American). This article actually isn't true, while the Kenyan Chinese pact that led to the construction of the Nairobi - Mombasa Port does have clauses related to penalties around lack of payment, there has been no actual announcement or any signs of China declaring possession of the Mombasa Port. In fact, the big issue in Mombasa right now is actually revolving around a Kenyan…

6 months ago the target was Russia. Basically blamed for everything. Now it's China. Funny that the China bashing articles started to appear more frequently at the same time the US government switched aim from Russia to China too. Coincidence?

Yes, and/or confirmation bias. There have been articles on the Chinese Road and Belt Initiative and their long-term geopolitical goals for a few years now.

That initiative has only became more newsworthy and pressing as the world's largest economy has turned inward.

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Post by crsmithdev »

lumberjack wrote: post #77
kolikotime wrote: post #63

West African American here (Ghanaian - American). This article actually isn't true, while the Kenyan Chinese pact that led to the construction of the Nairobi - Mombasa Port does have clauses related to penalties around lack of payment, there has been no actual announcement or any signs of China declaring possession of the Mombasa Port. In fact, the big issue in Mombasa right now is actually revolving around a Kenyan…

>Speaking furthermore, I do find it highly concerning just how much of an echo chamber this place is in regards to this notion of "Chinese colonialism" and Chinese "debt - traps". Western media should not be trusted to report accurately about foreign non-western countries. They almost never do.

At this point I no longer trust them to report accurately about even the United States.

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Post by kurthr »

lumberjack wrote: post #77
kolikotime wrote: post #63

West African American here (Ghanaian - American). This article actually isn't true, while the Kenyan Chinese pact that led to the construction of the Nairobi - Mombasa Port does have clauses related to penalties around lack of payment, there has been no actual announcement or any signs of China declaring possession of the Mombasa Port. In fact, the big issue in Mombasa right now is actually revolving around a Kenyan…

>Speaking furthermore, I do find it highly concerning just how much of an echo chamber this place is in regards to this notion of "Chinese colonialism" and Chinese "debt - traps". Western media should not be trusted to report accurately about foreign non-western countries. They almost never do.

I won't argue over the title or echochamber... I can't even load the page (500 Internal Error). Have you ever heard of africastand.com? I can't find any information on them in google/wikipedia and the waybackmachine only has 4 snapshots between april and august with no contact information.

Are they western media or just yellow clickbait? Is everything in english western media?

Re: Chinese may take over Mombasa port: Ouko

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Post by [deleted] »

kolikotime wrote: post #63

West African American here (Ghanaian - American). This article actually isn't true, while the Kenyan Chinese pact that led to the construction of the Nairobi - Mombasa Port does have clauses related to penalties around lack of payment, there has been no actual announcement or any signs of China declaring possession of the Mombasa Port. In fact, the big issue in Mombasa right now is actually revolving around a Kenyan…

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Re: Chinese may take over Mombasa port: Ouko

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Post by melling »

supergirl wrote: post #13
melling wrote: post #4

There were several stories a few months ago about how China’s Silk Road projects were being given to countries they couldn’t pay them back. I guess it’s true. Look for more of this.

rich loan to poor to get richer. this is new to you? you think china is the first or the last to do this? IMF is doing this wherever they can. the west is annoyed china is doing this too so they push all these "amg china is evil" articles to stir the pot and try to turn the locals against chinese.

I never said it was new to me.

I said I read articles this year that claimed this was happening. It appears to be true.

If you have articles about the IMF, I would love to read them. More transparency and a better understanding of how the world works is always welcome.

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Post by afpx »

kolikotime wrote: post #63

West African American here (Ghanaian - American). This article actually isn't true, while the Kenyan Chinese pact that led to the construction of the Nairobi - Mombasa Port does have clauses related to penalties around lack of payment, there has been no actual announcement or any signs of China declaring possession of the Mombasa Port. In fact, the big issue in Mombasa right now is actually revolving around a Kenyan…

Having worked with the World Bank in the past, I think that’s a very uninformed and biased view. They have been very effective in reducing poverty and improving infrastructure in Africa.

I recommend that you read facts about what they do before reading random opinions online (from brand new accounts, especially).

Also, I know dang warns us about pointing out potential propaganda, but this seems like this post is a good example of what I’m talking about.

Re: Chinese may take over Mombasa port: Ouko

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Post by learc83 »

StavrosK wrote: post #66
some_random wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there would probably be less slave labor in the American port so I suppose so.

Yep, we all know it's not slave labor if you get prisoners to do it.

I'm completely against using prison labor for profit, and there are inequalities in the US system...but prisoners in the US have had due process. Despite our problems, the protections for the accused in the US are among the best in the world.

To pretend that there isn't an enormous difference between labor camps in China and prison labor in the US is absolutely absurd.

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Post by buboard »

m000 wrote: post #67
awakeasleep wrote: post #6

Could the USA or an european nation offer to pay the loan in exchange for taking over the port? Itd be cool to swoop in on this deal.

Greece should have thought of that: - Provide unfettered economic access to China for 20 years in exchange for having the country's debt paid by them. - Seed a few alarmist articles. - Wait until USA and EU go crazy over that and summarily agree on a debt write-off.

Greece did play that card: the government visited china and russia asking for loans . Did not change anything as far as i know. (The chinese already had a strategy for greece and the balkans though which is progressing steadily - they are part of one belt one road)

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Post by creaghpatr »

afpx wrote: post #96
kolikotime wrote: post #63

West African American here (Ghanaian - American). This article actually isn't true, while the Kenyan Chinese pact that led to the construction of the Nairobi - Mombasa Port does have clauses related to penalties around lack of payment, there has been no actual announcement or any signs of China declaring possession of the Mombasa Port. In fact, the big issue in Mombasa right now is actually revolving around a Kenyan…

Having worked with the World Bank in the past, I think that’s a very uninformed and biased view. They have been very effective in reducing poverty and improving infrastructure in Africa. I recommend that you read facts about what they do before reading random opinions online (from brand new accounts, especially). Also, I know dang warns us about pointing out potential propaganda, but this seems like this post is a go…

That’s an awfully dismissive comment to a well laid out argument, you’re not really helping make a case for World Bank, which has been rife with corruption for decades.

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Post by realusername »

kolikotime wrote: post #63

West African American here (Ghanaian - American). This article actually isn't true, while the Kenyan Chinese pact that led to the construction of the Nairobi - Mombasa Port does have clauses related to penalties around lack of payment, there has been no actual announcement or any signs of China declaring possession of the Mombasa Port. In fact, the big issue in Mombasa right now is actually revolving around a Kenyan…

> France in particular still operates a monetary zone that operates in 14 African countries in its former colonial obit

The countries are free to leave the Franc CFA, some of them did and came back, having a stable currency you can trust on in the region is invaluable so they keep it on purpose. Especially that they can trade with their neighbours much more easily.

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