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Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by alexeldeib » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:02 AM UTC

gruez wrote: post #40

karmasimida wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada can choose to walk away, which would be smart. But apparently there is some miscalculation, now they stuck in between two superpowers.

>Canada can choose to walk away What is "walking away" in this context? Releasing Meng, and in the process, reneging on the extradition treaty?

Based on the context of the two comments you replied to, my interpretation of “walking away” would be Canada declining to further escalate retribution toward China.

Presumably retribution drags them in on the side of the US, but abstaining pins them between two superpowers.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by bilbo0s » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:06 AM UTC

fro0116 wrote: post #16

rubatuga wrote: post #13

It would be great if instead of rallying for boycotts, they could rally for the release of the two Canadians that disappeared.

I'm not as well educated on these events as I'd like to be. Can anyone point to some unbiased (as much as possible) sources on what charges the Huawei CFO was arrested for, and what charges the Canadians in China were arrested for? On the face of it the arrests read like blatent retaliation from China, but I'd like to know more about the full circumstances.

>Can anyone point to some unbiased ... sources ...

"No", is the short answer.

You simply have to read the position of all sides, and then make your own decisions. Any source that people will point you to, is going to be biased in some fashion.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by kerng » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:08 AM UTC

karmasimida wrote: post #28

bhouston wrote: post #3

The us involved Canada in this trade war on purpose by issuing this arrest warrant that we had to execute because of our legal agreements with the us. Now the Chinese is retailating against us and we will have to respond. Great. It would be one thing if we had willingly decided to get involved but this is us being forced to get involved.

Canada can choose to walk away, which would be smart. But apparently there is some miscalculation, now they stuck in between two superpowers.

Canada is not stuck in between, they know exactly which side they are on. It's pretty obvious.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by ejanus » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:10 AM UTC

throwappppp wrote: post #33

gpm wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's the case this time. We generally take our sanctions against Iran pretty seriously, and from what I've read it sounds like she was pretty blatantly involved in working around them. That warrant was out for a long time, which isn't something I'd really expect out of something for this trade war. I'd generally like to think that most of the US government is still above actions like that. I could be…

All the events targeting Chinese telecom manufacturers are tightly orchestrated. First it is ZTE, then it is call from US to have their allies drop Huawei, now it comes to arrest their CFO. And everything happens amid the trade war. So it is just natural and intuitive conclusion that Trump administration is trying pretty hard to find evidence they can to indicate Huawei to drive them out of business, which is obvious…

Examples of such plays. And why getting Trump in this ?

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by karmasimida » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:12 AM UTC

gruez wrote: post #40

karmasimida wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Canada can choose to walk away, which would be smart. But apparently there is some miscalculation, now they stuck in between two superpowers.

>Canada can choose to walk away What is "walking away" in this context? Releasing Meng, and in the process, reneging on the extradition treaty?

Your claim makes it sound like Canada has to do whatever US told it to do under any circumstance. I had hard time to believe that is the actual situation here.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by ejanus » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:12 AM UTC

devoply wrote: post #34

DeonPenny wrote: post #21

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But everyone knows he can't and the fact that he didn't know she'd be arrested is proof. Making legal matter political is how you get corruption

The prosecution represents the executive branch, they can drop the case at any time. He can tell them to drop the case. He has the power to do so and no one can stop him from doing that. They all in the end answer to him. The judges are independent, but it's the prosecution which brings the charges, and can drop the charges at any time. https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/05/president-trump-prose...

Has he been able to do that in the Russia elections issues ?

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by nutcracker46 » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:13 AM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #24

rubatuga wrote: post #13

It would be great if instead of rallying for boycotts, they could rally for the release of the two Canadians that disappeared.

I'm sure that it's retaliation over the Huawei arrest. But those two aren't exactly innocent tourists.[0] And I'm sure that the Chinese could make passable arguments for their detention. Espionage is a difficult charge to disprove. 0) https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/biographical-...

That's a viewpoint of a bullshit legal system of thugs, based on the accused being guilty until proven innocent.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by ejanus » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:14 AM UTC

devoply wrote: post #7

throwaway2048 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point of an extradition treaty is you beleive the other country has a reasonably fair and just justice system, or at least one roughly comparable to your own. If you force a full trial for extradition, there is no point to treaties like that to begin with.

Yes and statements by President Trump as noted above throw that whole notion out of the window. There are plenty of other cases out there as well. The US justice system is often used as a tool by corporate interests to bully people and make examples of them. It leaves much to be desired in terms of being a fair judicial system that serves everyone equally. Even the point of contention is ridiculous. Don't export anyt…

Your last point is out of context

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by nutcracker46 » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:18 AM UTC

bhouston wrote: post #3

The us involved Canada in this trade war on purpose by issuing this arrest warrant that we had to execute because of our legal agreements with the us. Now the Chinese is retailating against us and we will have to respond. Great. It would be one thing if we had willingly decided to get involved but this is us being forced to get involved.

I sense an argument that it would be easier for everyone to simply let Meng walk away. What, is she more special than another bloke who lies to the bank about transactions? If yes, let us flush rule of law down the toilet.

Whoosh! Now the only rule is Darwinism.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by bilbo0s » Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 5:19 AM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #24

rubatuga wrote: post #13

It would be great if instead of rallying for boycotts, they could rally for the release of the two Canadians that disappeared.

I'm sure that it's retaliation over the Huawei arrest. But those two aren't exactly innocent tourists.[0] And I'm sure that the Chinese could make passable arguments for their detention. Espionage is a difficult charge to disprove. 0) https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/biographical-...

This is what a lot of people don't realize, no matter what country you are in, you are always guilty of something.

I'm an American, in America, and I'm 100% certain that I'm in violation of at least one of the over 40,000 laws and regulations that exist on the federal level. (And that doesn't even count the state and local laws and ordinances.)

Here's the thing though, I have no idea which laws and regulations I'm currently in violation of.

So all a country has to do is pick someone. Just arrest them, and assuming a sufficiently complex legal system, whoever they arrest will be in violation of some law. As regular people we just can't help it. We have no ability to maintain an awareness of every law and regulation we are subject to and stay in compliance with them.

So if you're Canadian or American, and you're not someone with the resources or clout to protect yourself from all of this, I'd strongly urge you to consider business models that allow you to operate at a distance from Asia. No one wants to be the dumb patsy sitting in a Chinese prison for 10 years because China and the US want to throw temper tantrums with each other.