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Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by Fricken »

gpm wrote: post #27
Fricken wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The feds don't care about that, the Iran shit is just the technicality they called her on so they could use Wanzhou as a bartering chip in their trade war. Like when Julian Assange was charged with rape, they just needed an excuse to try and have him extradited to America, it's not the real reason they were out to get him.

I don't think that's the case this time. We generally take our sanctions against Iran pretty seriously, and from what I've read it sounds like she was pretty blatantly involved in working around them. That warrant was out for a long time, which isn't something I'd really expect out of something for this trade war. I'd generally like to think that most of the US government is still above actions like that. I could be…

I mean, like, yeah, America doesn't want China doing business with Iran, but that's been going on for a long time and if that was what America wanted to get serious about addressing there are much bigger fish to fry than Wanzhou.

With the Huawei witch hunt it's all highly suspect, and I'm still waiting to see some evidence of these secret spy chips supposedly implanted in all this Huawei equipment.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by throwappppp »

gpm wrote: post #27
Fricken wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The feds don't care about that, the Iran shit is just the technicality they called her on so they could use Wanzhou as a bartering chip in their trade war. Like when Julian Assange was charged with rape, they just needed an excuse to try and have him extradited to America, it's not the real reason they were out to get him.

I don't think that's the case this time. We generally take our sanctions against Iran pretty seriously, and from what I've read it sounds like she was pretty blatantly involved in working around them. That warrant was out for a long time, which isn't something I'd really expect out of something for this trade war. I'd generally like to think that most of the US government is still above actions like that. I could be…

All the events targeting Chinese telecom manufacturers are tightly orchestrated. First it is ZTE, then it is call from US to have their allies drop Huawei, now it comes to arrest their CFO. And everything happens amid the trade war.

So it is just natural and intuitive conclusion that Trump administration is trying pretty hard to find evidence they can to indicate Huawei to drive them out of business, which is obvious.

Typically US carried those tactics pretty well, all under seemingly unrelated charges, like bank fraud, it is just sad that Trump can't control his big mouth, or he can't help but being honest.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by devoply »

DeonPenny wrote: post #21
devoply wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Trump said this: https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/11/politics/trump-china-huawei-c... Canada should've jumped on it and used it as an excuse to let her go as she would not be receiving a fair trial in the US. In general the extradition treaty that Canada has with the US needs revision badly as it forces Canada to turn over anyone to the US without much process. There should be a lot more process involved before Canad…

But everyone knows he can't and the fact that he didn't know she'd be arrested is proof. Making legal matter political is how you get corruption

The prosecution represents the executive branch, they can drop the case at any time. He can tell them to drop the case. He has the power to do so and no one can stop him from doing that. They all in the end answer to him. The judges are independent, but it's the prosecution which brings the charges, and can drop the charges at any time.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/05/president-trump-prose...

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by candiodari »

fro0116 wrote: post #16
rubatuga wrote: post #13

It would be great if instead of rallying for boycotts, they could rally for the release of the two Canadians that disappeared.

I'm not as well educated on these events as I'd like to be. Can anyone point to some unbiased (as much as possible) sources on what charges the Huawei CFO was arrested for, and what charges the Canadians in China were arrested for? On the face of it the arrests read like blatent retaliation from China, but I'd like to know more about the full circumstances.

From a Canadian viewpoint, the CFO has not committed any crime. She was arrested at the request of the US, for fraud charges related to export restrictions. As far as I know, no exact charge has been specified, either in Canada or in the US.

In Canada she is attempting to prevent getting extradited.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by gruez »

candiodari wrote: post #35
fro0116 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not as well educated on these events as I'd like to be. Can anyone point to some unbiased (as much as possible) sources on what charges the Huawei CFO was arrested for, and what charges the Canadians in China were arrested for? On the face of it the arrests read like blatent retaliation from China, but I'd like to know more about the full circumstances.

From a Canadian viewpoint, the CFO has not committed any crime. She was arrested at the request of the US, for fraud charges related to export restrictions. As far as I know, no exact charge has been specified, either in Canada or in the US. In Canada she is attempting to prevent getting extradited.

>As far as I know, no exact charge has been specified, either in Canada or in the US.

it's fraud https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/7/18131188/huawei-cfo-fraud...

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by j16sdiz »

fro0116 wrote: post #16
rubatuga wrote: post #13

It would be great if instead of rallying for boycotts, they could rally for the release of the two Canadians that disappeared.

I'm not as well educated on these events as I'd like to be. Can anyone point to some unbiased (as much as possible) sources on what charges the Huawei CFO was arrested for, and what charges the Canadians in China were arrested for? On the face of it the arrests read like blatent retaliation from China, but I'd like to know more about the full circumstances.

China have introduce very strict rules for NGO last year: http://www.chinafile.com/ngo/latest/fact-sheet-chinas-foreig...

Basically, a foreign NGO need to register with the government to continue their work in China.

Some of the NGO is still working on getting the approval. These two Canadians were working with one of those NGO.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by [deleted] »

mirimir wrote: post #24
rubatuga wrote: post #13

It would be great if instead of rallying for boycotts, they could rally for the release of the two Canadians that disappeared.

I'm sure that it's retaliation over the Huawei arrest. But those two aren't exactly innocent tourists.[0] And I'm sure that the Chinese could make passable arguments for their detention. Espionage is a difficult charge to disprove. 0) https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/biographical-...

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Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by gpm »

Fricken wrote: post #31
gpm wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that's the case this time. We generally take our sanctions against Iran pretty seriously, and from what I've read it sounds like she was pretty blatantly involved in working around them. That warrant was out for a long time, which isn't something I'd really expect out of something for this trade war. I'd generally like to think that most of the US government is still above actions like that. I could be…

I mean, like, yeah, America doesn't want China doing business with Iran, but that's been going on for a long time and if that was what America wanted to get serious about addressing there are much bigger fish to fry than Wanzhou. With the Huawei witch hunt it's all highly suspect, and I'm still waiting to see some evidence of these secret spy chips supposedly implanted in all this Huawei equipment.

Bigger fish to fry than one of the richest people in China who has (allegedly) been directly involved in transferring the technology? That we can actually get our hands on?

Just looking at how the Chinese government has reacted, I think it's clear that this is a pretty big fish.

Re: Chinese companies rally around Huawei after CFO arrest

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Post by gruez »

karmasimida wrote: post #28
bhouston wrote: post #3

The us involved Canada in this trade war on purpose by issuing this arrest warrant that we had to execute because of our legal agreements with the us. Now the Chinese is retailating against us and we will have to respond. Great. It would be one thing if we had willingly decided to get involved but this is us being forced to get involved.

Canada can choose to walk away, which would be smart. But apparently there is some miscalculation, now they stuck in between two superpowers.

>Canada can choose to walk away

What is "walking away" in this context? Releasing Meng, and in the process, reneging on the extradition treaty?

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