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More likely this is what happens when you create a trust and safety department run by ideologues that censor according to some elusive concept of “hate speech”. Who defines hate? Ideologues should at least not
Maybe it just has to do with the fact that as a company heavily involved in payment processing they’d be crazy to not be exceedingly careful about who they work with? Why would this have anything to do with ideology?
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"Hate speech" doesn't have a legal definition in the United States that I am aware of. If it does, it's still covered by the first amendment and legal. So its not a question of Patreon determining what is legal, they're determining what is acceptable to them.
> "Hate speech" doesn't have a legal definition in the United States that I am aware of. Then fix that, instead of using it as a loophole to ruin the web, and then still not having fixed that.
I highly doubt such an amendment could ever get popular or political support.
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#113Instead, I'm curious as to a few other things.
1. This looks prima facia like fraud. You say one thing, the TOS says one thing, you do another -- and you take money while acting that way. If that's not fraud, I don't understand the term.
2. As I noted in a recent essay, the way that software generalizes communication, combined with a system/platform that has massive adoption, always leads to a bad place even when this has nothing to do with politics or content. Even if we get past the speech and fraud part of the problem, we still have a huge problem. http://tiny-giant-books.com/1.html?EntryId=recEUbufzhAvph8K1
3. Are we a bulletin board or a publisher? I understand these companies want to take both stances simultaneously, and that the law allows this, but heck if it makes any sense to me how it's going to work out well. Yes, it's legal, but that doesn't make it any more tenable. Algorithms don't amount to magic sauce, no matter how much you wave your hands around.
4. We are in need of anti-trust legislation when it comes to the marketplace of ideas. On the net, either there is no such thing as a public square or some legislative intervention is required. I don't think arguing that there's no such thing as a public square works for rational observers of the marketplace. Sounded pretty cool ten years ago, sure. And perhaps most of the public might still buy it. But its days are numbered.
Interesting place we have ended up. I note that "interesting" can have terrible connotations.
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I get your point that most businesses are closed but I didn't know it was mandatory or required triple pay. Is that true? Disneyland is open on Christmas. Most movie theaters are open on Christmas. I think most convenience stores, many groceries stores, and most gas stations are open on Christmas.
> I get your point that most businesses are closed but I didn't know it was mandatory or required triple pay. Is that true? No, neither of those things is true. Triple pay would be very odd under any circumstances.
I hope Patreon support staff didn't have to work all through last weekend, but if they did, I hope they're making triple time today!
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Patreon is reknown for political censorship of centrists and the right.
Oh come on, they have a ToS like all other companies. It's not "censorship" to not do business with someone. Also, "the right" here is people like Milo and Lauren Southern who are out in the real world causing harm.
Not that our society is all that great at free thinking, but I don’t think we should be setting it up to continue making free thought harder. Even if it comes with some things we don’t like, we need to honor the pursuit of intellectual curiosity and exploration.
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#116Patreon has been on a spree to ban people that think the wrong way. Matt Christiansen had a call [1] with Patreon to discuss their banning of Sargon of Akkad. Sargon was notified of the banning by his patrons, not Patreon, and had no recourse to challenge the decision. In the call Patreon made it clear that their platform is; 1) explicitly anti free-speech 2) is not a free market (they can ban you for arbitrary reaso…
Don’t get me wrong - racists are not something I tolerate in my personal life. Not at all. There’s no need for that kind of crap in our society and I’m not going to go down the rabbit hole of trying to change someone’s mind when rationality isn’t the basis of their thinking. But there’s a hell of a lot of grey area between racism and simply thinking about things in a different way. And right now it seems like the freedom to think differently, even if it’s just to come to a valid conclusion instead of believing what you’re told, is under a lot of fire. Somehow a lot of people (or maybe just the noisy people) are all too willing to throw away freedom to enact a totalitarian view of how they think the world should work.
That’s not right. Humans need freedom. And sometimes that means the freedom to make mistakes. The people imposing this censorship aren’t perfect. They aren’t better than the rest of us nor are they more moral. So to me, it’s totally unacceptable that they’ve established themselves as moral chaperones.
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In technological terms, cryptocurrencies really have fixede this. However, the adoption is lacking behind somewhat. However, the few creators that do use cryptocurrency (even just in a rudimentary way of putting a bitcoin address in a video) - have gained from this.
It really didn't. Bitcoins ledger is public, marking every transaction from who to whom the money went. Yes, it's originally only the wallet id that is public, but this id only needs to be matched once to a person... And don't even start with exchanges. They have exactly the same problem as any private entity such as PayPal or patreon has
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
I get your point that most businesses are closed but I didn't know it was mandatory or required triple pay. Is that true? Disneyland is open on Christmas. Most movie theaters are open on Christmas. I think most convenience stores, many groceries stores, and most gas stations are open on Christmas.
It seems OP also missed this gem: > This suspension came between 18 and 47 days ago based on my missed payouts. No review has taken place in that time... Patreon has had weeks to do this review, yet they haven't communicated or done anything.
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#119Patreon has been on a spree to ban people that think the wrong way. Matt Christiansen had a call [1] with Patreon to discuss their banning of Sargon of Akkad. Sargon was notified of the banning by his patrons, not Patreon, and had no recourse to challenge the decision. In the call Patreon made it clear that their platform is; 1) explicitly anti free-speech 2) is not a free market (they can ban you for arbitrary reaso…
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> I get your point that most businesses are closed but I didn't know it was mandatory or required triple pay. Is that true? No, neither of those things is true. Triple pay would be very odd under any circumstances.
It’s really amazing to me how many people can’t be bothered to spend 5 min on learning the basics of their country’s labor laws.
> The holiday premium for time worked on the six named holidays shall be paid at three times (3X) the straight time rate of pay.
https://ufcw324.org/holiday-pay-and-holiday-week-overtime-fo...