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China Cracks Down on Churches

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Re: China Cracks Down on Churches

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Regardless of your faith (or lack thereof), I hope you agree that this is pretty horrible from a freedom of expression perspective :/

So if I get your drift, someday you'll support the "freedom of expression" of terrorists? The church is known to indulge in borderline terrorism, just fyi. This is at least in the case of India. We suffer it every single day.

Quite frankly everyone's a terrorist to a totalitarian machine like China, it means nothing.

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This is why it's frustrating when some make it seem that Christians are incapable of facing persecution, based entirely on their experiences in the US. The Christians in China are very brave for standing by their faith, and I wish them luck and peace.

Yes, I am gobsmacked by their bravery. And as a Christian myself, I am amazed by how they root their bravery in their faith, and not in some idea of social justice. The lead pastor wrote a letter going into this (published after he was detained): http://www.chinapartnership.org/blog/2018/12/my-declaration-...

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Writing from the perspective of a person who literally had a life ruined by religious ideology impairing the mental judgement of parental figures. This is literally one of the best things I've read in my life. Going to be unpopular opinion because of people indoctrinated into freedom of expression but why not. Religious ideology has done more damage than terrorism to LGBT people. The result has lead to suicides and t…

Not only LGBT, religion (not only Christianity) had done an enormous harm to women in all times (and still does).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I get your drift, someday you'll support the "freedom of expression" of terrorists? The church is known to indulge in borderline terrorism, just fyi. This is at least in the case of India. We suffer it every single day.

what is "borderline terrorism"? the churches in the article were targeted for criticizing corrupt officials, in china

Why is the church indulging in criticism? Who are they? What right do they have to do that? How do they know that the officials are corrupt? How do you know that is the only thing the church did, if they even did that? How do YOU know for a fact that the official was corrupt? Too many questions & you seem to be naive enough to take everything at face value. Again, why does the church interfere in such things? Isn't that why the word "Secularism" was invented??

We need a church ... christianity free world. There is nothing but death & destruction we have gotten from these desert cults.

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How does news like this even get out of the country with the information controls in place?

You just need one person to leak it (or 2-3, if you care about journalistic integrity and receive the information from multiple sources). Remember, you don't need true cryptography -- you just need to get information out. It's okay to violate kerckhoff's principle and have a scheme that's dependent on the algorithm itself so that the government can't automatically decrypt your data. Like using obscure steganography.…

It's the communication version of diffusion.

It's also what makes things like "Secret societies", and massive conspiracies to be so damned hard to maintain. Information in a high level area wants to equalize to lower levels.

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This is why we need to sever economic ties with China. The more we support this the worse this type of thing will intensify, including beyond China's borders....and it won't stop at just Christianity, they have targeted Islam and, Buddhists etc. as well.

On the contrary. I think our leaders should spend more time together. Maybe they should even vacation together. The US severed economic ties with Cuba in the 60s and look what happened (only recently celebrating Christmas became legal, and property that belonged to the church was returned). There are countless examples like that.

The US has been doing that for the past 30 years. It's not working.

Re: China Cracks Down on Churches

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This is why we need to sever economic ties with China. The more we support this the worse this type of thing will intensify, including beyond China's borders....and it won't stop at just Christianity, they have targeted Islam and, Buddhists etc. as well.

As long as they don't target synagogues nobody in the US will bat an eye

Racist much?
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