China Cracks Down on Churches

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Post by traderjane » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 4:22 PM UTC

China Cracks Down on Churches
nytimes.com

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Post by whitecatexport » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 4:41 PM UTC

China cracks down on 2000-year old invisible friends brain virus, as they should

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Post by jxi » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 4:44 PM UTC

How does news like this even get out of the country with the information controls in place?

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Post by lgleason » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 4:46 PM UTC

This is why we need to sever economic ties with China. The more we support this the worse this type of thing will intensify, including beyond China's borders....and it won't stop at just Christianity, they have targeted Islam and, Buddhists etc. as well.

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Post by saagarjha » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 4:48 PM UTC

Regardless of your faith (or lack thereof), I hope you agree that this is pretty horrible from a freedom of expression perspective :/

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 4:48 PM UTC

lgleason wrote: post #4

This is why we need to sever economic ties with China. The more we support this the worse this type of thing will intensify, including beyond China's borders....and it won't stop at just Christianity, they have targeted Islam and, Buddhists etc. as well.

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Post by saagarjha » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 4:50 PM UTC

jxi wrote: post #3

How does news like this even get out of the country with the information controls in place?

China’s information control, while extensive, is not nearly effective enough to suppress news like this. It’s the same reason we hear of human rights abuses happening in the country.

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Post by greeneggs » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 4:52 PM UTC

lgleason wrote: post #4

This is why we need to sever economic ties with China. The more we support this the worse this type of thing will intensify, including beyond China's borders....and it won't stop at just Christianity, they have targeted Islam and, Buddhists etc. as well.

Why will severing economic ties change it either way? Do you just mean as a matter of principle we should sanction China, or do you think it will be an effective impulse for change?

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Post by dgut » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 4:53 PM UTC

lgleason wrote: post #4

This is why we need to sever economic ties with China. The more we support this the worse this type of thing will intensify, including beyond China's borders....and it won't stop at just Christianity, they have targeted Islam and, Buddhists etc. as well.

On the contrary. I think our leaders should spend more time together. Maybe they should even vacation together.

The US severed economic ties with Cuba in the 60s and look what happened (only recently celebrating Christmas became legal, and property that belonged to the church was returned). There are countless examples like that.

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Post by adtac » Tue, Dec 25, 2018, 4:53 PM UTC

jxi wrote: post #3

How does news like this even get out of the country with the information controls in place?

You just need one person to leak it (or 2-3, if you care about journalistic integrity and receive the information from multiple sources). Remember, you don't need true cryptography -- you just need to get information out. It's okay to violate kerckhoff's principle and have a scheme that's dependent on the algorithm itself so that the government can't automatically decrypt your data. Like using obscure steganography. You might be discovered later, but once the information is out, it's out.