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Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

#31

Post by StudentStuff »

tokyodude wrote: post #29
floatingatoll wrote: post #24

Patreon is very likely on mandatory US Holiday today. By the time they read this thread on Wednesday, it will be far too late for them to fend off the mob. They deserve one business day to reply, and they won't have had that until Wednesday at the _earliest_. Be kind. EDIT: If your reply is "they should reply 24/7/365", ask yourself whether it makes financial sense to staff a support team on Christmas at triple-overt…

I get your point that most businesses are closed but I didn't know it was mandatory or required triple pay. Is that true? Disneyland is open on Christmas. Most movie theaters are open on Christmas. I think most convenience stores, many groceries stores, and most gas stations are open on Christmas.

It seems OP also missed this gem:

> This suspension came between 18 and 47 days ago based on my missed payouts. No review has taken place in that time...

Patreon has had weeks to do this review, yet they haven't communicated or done anything.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

#32

Post by StudentStuff »

sublupo wrote: post #25
manfredo wrote: post #2

Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. Effectively every utility implements what patron provides. It's essentially just scheduling recurring payments, with a discussion forum attached. More behavior like what we've been seeing Patreon do lately, and I can see larger creators shifting to hosing their own patronage services. Essentially the same reason why EA, Blizzard, and even more niche game pub…

SubscribeStar tried to do that exact thing, and they succeeded for a little while. Then PayPal decided to freeze their account. My guess is because many people started to contact PayPal and said that SubscribeStar wasn't censoring people with wrong-think like Patreon just started to do.

Sounds like they should have hooked up with a real payment provider. If InfoWars can get one for their store (through First Data even, much cheaper than PayPal), no reason SubscribeStar couldn't.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

#33

Post by cronix »

manfredo wrote: post #2

Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. Effectively every utility implements what patron provides. It's essentially just scheduling recurring payments, with a discussion forum attached. More behavior like what we've been seeing Patreon do lately, and I can see larger creators shifting to hosing their own patronage services. Essentially the same reason why EA, Blizzard, and even more niche game pub…

It's pretty trivial to set up a Stripe account and take payments directly. It's simple to set up if you're a beginner dev, and there are lots of plugins for Wordpress, etc. I don't even know why anybody would use something like Patreon. I'd rather give directly than to some 3rd party who's going to take a cut (yes, I'm aware of Stripe processing fees like any other cc processor would charge).

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

#34

Post by blhack »

StudentStuff wrote: post #32
sublupo wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SubscribeStar tried to do that exact thing, and they succeeded for a little while. Then PayPal decided to freeze their account. My guess is because many people started to contact PayPal and said that SubscribeStar wasn't censoring people with wrong-think like Patreon just started to do.

Sounds like they should have hooked up with a real payment provider. If InfoWars can get one for their store (through First Data even, much cheaper than PayPal), no reason SubscribeStar couldn't.

I'm surprised infowars hasnt created their own patreon clone.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

#35

Post by ThrustVectoring »

manfredo wrote: post #2

Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. Effectively every utility implements what patron provides. It's essentially just scheduling recurring payments, with a discussion forum attached. More behavior like what we've been seeing Patreon do lately, and I can see larger creators shifting to hosing their own patronage services. Essentially the same reason why EA, Blizzard, and even more niche game pub…

https://hatreon.net/

It's been tried before. You have to play ball to a certain extent or upstream service providers can and will cut you off.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

#36

Post by blhack »

This same story played out 10 or so years ago with Wikileaks, PayPal, and major card processors and banks.

The sad realization was that private companies can control who gets to speak very effectively.

Lots of people hoped cryptocurrency would fix this, but so far it hasn't.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

#37

Post by sinxoveretothex »

blhack wrote: post #34
StudentStuff wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like they should have hooked up with a real payment provider. If InfoWars can get one for their store (through First Data even, much cheaper than PayPal), no reason SubscribeStar couldn't.

I'm surprised infowars hasnt created their own patreon clone.

I don't see an issue with InfoWars having a platform or even to be on the same platform as me but I'd have serious reservations about having them as the platform manager, mainly because I'm not trusting them to have sane opinions (it's not like InfoWars strike me as vanguards of free speech in principle).

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

#38

Post by ploggingdev »

Like someone else suggested, this is likely a case of automated flagging by fraud detection systems, but it does not excuse such terrible communication on Patreon's part.

I have been following the recent Patreon backlash with interest, which I think was triggered by Patreon banning a youtuber who goes by Sargon of Akkad for using the phrase "white [n-word]" in a youtube video. Sam Harris, who was one of the highest earning people n Patreon, closed his patreon account and explained why he did so [0]. Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin (popular internet personalities who spoke out against Patreon's trust and safety policies) are planning on launching an alternative [1] to Patreon that is more pro free speech. It would be interesting to see if they manage to build a free speech alternative since the problem usually is that the worst elements on the internet flock to it before regular people and the site/service will be labeled a hub for nazis/white supremacists and no bank/financial institution will want to do business with such a service. It also sounds like companies such as Stripe and Paypal can do little even if they wanted to support a free speech alternative to Patreon, since that would cause issues with their payment networks.

I am interested in learning a little about how the financial infrastructure works (banks, payment processors, regulations), who decides what types of service should not be allowed even if it's legal and what it would take to build a free speech alternative to Patreon, so if there are some good resources that you know about, please share them in the comments.

[0] https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctw...

[1] https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/10772442911251742...

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

#39

Post by mirimir »

floatingatoll wrote: post #24

Patreon is very likely on mandatory US Holiday today. By the time they read this thread on Wednesday, it will be far too late for them to fend off the mob. They deserve one business day to reply, and they won't have had that until Wednesday at the _earliest_. Be kind. EDIT: If your reply is "they should reply 24/7/365", ask yourself whether it makes financial sense to staff a support team on Christmas at triple-overt…

I worked in the analytical lab at a chemical plant for a while. And I always worked Christmas, for the massive overtime. And isn't this sort of a toxics issue for Patreon?

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

#40

Post by mirimir »

StudentStuff wrote: post #31
tokyodude wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get your point that most businesses are closed but I didn't know it was mandatory or required triple pay. Is that true? Disneyland is open on Christmas. Most movie theaters are open on Christmas. I think most convenience stores, many groceries stores, and most gas stations are open on Christmas.

It seems OP also missed this gem: > This suspension came between 18 and 47 days ago based on my missed payouts. No review has taken place in that time... Patreon has had weeks to do this review, yet they haven't communicated or done anything.

True. But he just tweeted today, and it quickly hit HN front page.
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