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Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. Effectively every utility implements what patron provides. It's essentially just scheduling recurring payments, with a discussion forum attached. More behavior like what we've been seeing Patreon do lately, and I can see larger creators shifting to hosing their own patronage services. Essentially the same reason why EA, Blizzard, and even more niche game pub…

>Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate.

I think the real problem is upstream: The payment processors.

These companies set the rules and everybody else has to play along or risk being cut off from customers.

Any competitor will face the same issues sooner or later.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most bizarre part, to me, is that it feels like this should just be a part of modern banking. "Hey if you like my stuff consider adding my to your monthly payments. I guess Patreon provides a walled garden of premium content for patrons, but I'm skeptical that's universally desired by creators. The few I know don't do any of that.

I think the core of Patreon's value is tying the payment to exclusive contents and access to patrons-only forums. That's why I think WordPress or SquareSpace would be suited to capturing Patreon's market. Creators can already create web stores in SquareSpace, it shouldn't be too much work on top of it to create recurring payments. It'd be more work, though, to wall off certain portions of the site to different paymen…

If you haven't seen it, check out graphtreon.com for charts, historical data, and categorization that I don't think Patreon makes public.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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post #2

Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. Effectively every utility implements what patron provides. It's essentially just scheduling recurring payments, with a discussion forum attached. More behavior like what we've been seeing Patreon do lately, and I can see larger creators shifting to hosing their own patronage services. Essentially the same reason why EA, Blizzard, and even more niche game pub…

Many people have replicated it. Ko-fi now has a similar offering. Enty is a similar service in Japan. And, there's more that I can't recall off the top of my head.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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post #11
post #2

Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. Effectively every utility implements what patron provides. It's essentially just scheduling recurring payments, with a discussion forum attached. More behavior like what we've been seeing Patreon do lately, and I can see larger creators shifting to hosing their own patronage services. Essentially the same reason why EA, Blizzard, and even more niche game pub…

>Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. I think the real problem is upstream: The payment processors. These companies set the rules and everybody else has to play along or risk being cut off from customers. Any competitor will face the same issues sooner or later.

> I think the real problem is upstream: The payment processors. In this case, the problem is Patreon itself. They aren't paying out to the creator, and apparently people are still being billed.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. I think the real problem is upstream: The payment processors. These companies set the rules and everybody else has to play along or risk being cut off from customers. Any competitor will face the same issues sooner or later.

> I think the real problem is upstream: The payment processors. In this case, the problem is Patreon itself. They aren't paying out to the creator, and apparently people are still being billed.

Yeah, in this case Patreon is clearly at fault for not notifying Scott about his account's status.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the core of Patreon's value is tying the payment to exclusive contents and access to patrons-only forums. That's why I think WordPress or SquareSpace would be suited to capturing Patreon's market. Creators can already create web stores in SquareSpace, it shouldn't be too much work on top of it to create recurring payments. It'd be more work, though, to wall off certain portions of the site to different paymen…

Do they? I thought income went private some time in 2018. I did use to enjoy looking at my favourite creators to see that indeed they were getting paid enough.

It’s public. Typically someone turning off their income is an indicator that they are being paid more than they know what to do with any more.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. Effectively every utility implements what patron provides. It's essentially just scheduling recurring payments, with a discussion forum attached. More behavior like what we've been seeing Patreon do lately, and I can see larger creators shifting to hosing their own patronage services. Essentially the same reason why EA, Blizzard, and even more niche game pub…

The most bizarre part, to me, is that it feels like this should just be a part of modern banking. "Hey if you like my stuff consider adding my to your monthly payments. I guess Patreon provides a walled garden of premium content for patrons, but I'm skeptical that's universally desired by creators. The few I know don't do any of that.

>"Hey if you like my stuff consider adding my to your monthly payments....

Banks specifically DON'T want you doing that because they don't want undesirable businesses funneling money in and out of their banks. I'm sure there are different legal liabilities for different places for different undesirable businesses with that kind of thing. It's probably a potential minefield to let anyone do that indiscriminately.

Probably have to track everyone, and then roll back or cancel accounts when you catch the pornographers, or cartels or what have you.

(Of course, that brings you back to the problem of randomly cancelled accounts.)

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. Effectively every utility implements what patron provides. It's essentially just scheduling recurring payments, with a discussion forum attached. More behavior like what we've been seeing Patreon do lately, and I can see larger creators shifting to hosing their own patronage services. Essentially the same reason why EA, Blizzard, and even more niche game pub…

The most bizarre part, to me, is that it feels like this should just be a part of modern banking. "Hey if you like my stuff consider adding my to your monthly payments. I guess Patreon provides a walled garden of premium content for patrons, but I'm skeptical that's universally desired by creators. The few I know don't do any of that.

There are people who love using Patreon as a paywall. Most of them make porn of some kind or another - photographic or drawn.

There’s a lot of people who mostly use it as “automatic tip jar”, too.

Re: Patreon suspended my account. They have not notified me

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post #2

Patreon sounds like something relatively easy to replicate. Effectively every utility implements what patron provides. It's essentially just scheduling recurring payments, with a discussion forum attached. More behavior like what we've been seeing Patreon do lately, and I can see larger creators shifting to hosing their own patronage services. Essentially the same reason why EA, Blizzard, and even more niche game pub…

Building the service is usually much, much easier than building the user base.
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